The Daily Word 01.22.09

Why can't people just respect other peoples wishes? For them it's like people going up to your lawn and taking pics of your house. Come on be sensitive.

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...why would someone just take pictures of someones house just to do it? Photographers and whoever else take those pictures as a memory. Or maybe they thought it was just plain beautiful. They're arguing that white people took this land from them. Well, so did the Spanish. This is a free country. UNITED States of America. It's not supposed to be separated.

What the hell does the word "united" have to do with wishes at all? United means one. America is AMERICA. So don't give me that bullshit.

what's the big deal with respecting their wishes?

log in and share their feelings. Not that they have to explain themselves, but I would love to hear

feelings on what FelixZeeKitten is expressing.

Do I come across as racist? I'm about as mixed as they come. They want to be separated. Their own little nation, but they can take our money. And water. But we can't take a fucking picture. As for drinking and driving, they do it off their property, but that's why innocent people are killed? Find a way to get the logic.

But, they can drive on our land, drunk. And killing people on OUR land.

Actually, just like they have a rule against taking pictures, we happen to have a rule against that.

find "no pictures" a stupid "tradition" but a lot of cultures have traditions that seem stupid. So what, it's their tradition. I don't have a problem respecting other people's traditions.

your real beef is you don't believe Native Americans should be able to keep the measly amount of land the US gave them. That they shouldn't want to live differently. That they are somewhat parasitic. That they can't call themselves American because of these actions. hmmm. That's a more interesting argument.

Knows the rules. I get flustered because I don't agree. But that's just how I am.

P.S.

I could've sworn that said "Barack Obama Pie. plus one."

But when we find them HERE, with someone killed...doesn't that mean they were disrespecting US?

Sure, but don't lose track of what the word "they" refers to. It refers to an individual, not a whole culture, and has no bearing on the conduct of whoever made up the no-pictures rule.

I think a lot of us white guys who have never stolen anyone's land, can relate to how frustrating it can be when someone overgeneralizes.

and stop looking at my car. Other than that, we're good.

I don't think it was Felix's. I feel that she was trying to get at something else- trying to point out a double standard maybe. It made her look a little intolerant on the surface, but I don't think that it was what was really going on. I may be completely wrong but that's what I was getting.

...Yeah, thanks.

Greenley, you are correct.

But it came off completely intolerant. I understand some could think there is a double standard. But I don't think so. I think some individuals or groups of people like to be treated a certain way and just because I don't need to be treated that way doesn't mean I will disregard those wishes.

This is a free country. UNITED States of America. It's not supposed to be separated.

The way I understand it, Native Americans were allowed to keep a small amount of their land with a level of sovereignty. If I were arguing their case my first argument would be their individual demi-nations, also know as reservations, are not states United in America, otherwise there would be more than 50 fucking stars on our flag. Locations within the borders of their reservations are not merely private property they are sovereignties*. And your argument that they wonder off their land and use US resources doesn't hold any weight because our country doesn't allow them to be fully independent and sovereign like any other real nation, so it's what we call a compromise. Therefore it is up to non Native Americans to hold up our end of it and respect their customs which are law. Fuck that was easy.

I really like what this "kristin" girl has to say. We should meet sometime :) By the way felix, Kristin is saying your point of view is ignorant not that you are.

But I'm disappointed that felix is making a comparison between the Pueblos ASKING people to not take pictures of their sacred land without permission and an occasional Native American driving drunk.

And to assume that the way we view America should be the same way the Pueblos do is ridiculous. Remember, OUR fore-fathers created the United States, THEIR fore-fathers lost wars and were therefore subjected to live within its borders.

Based on the way you feel felix, I would assume you reject any sort of rights of religion. Non-mormons can't just walk into a temple. Is that wrong?

I'm an American and proud of it. I thus have rights. But so does every other person on God's gloriously green earth. And my rights don't involve subjecting other people to my will. Neither do yours.

No one else is taking the time to really understand, even though they say they are. So, thanks. :]

I don't really think there is anything to understand. Pueblos don't want pictures taken of their sovereign land. Pretty simple actually.

We don't need to understand, we just need to respect.

And I apologize if it seems like people jumped all over you on this. I just think what you said about it was a bit problematic.

Go ahead and put me in the category of people who don't understand this:

But, they can drive on our land, drunk. And killing people on OUR land. Hmmm.

I'll be proud to be in that category. Today and tomorrow.

So this is your point

I understand they don't want pictures taken. I think it's dumb.

and that's it, you think it's dumb, thats it?

It's conveniently located on top of my shoulders.

I was told I could not take pictures of any of the people because they thought a photograph takes away a little piece of their soul.

However, if you give them say, $5 bucks, you can take as many pictures as you want.

In my closet someplace, I have a whole box full of Moroccan souls. Anybody need one?

I didn't steal nothin', I bought them souls with hard American currency and they're MINE now. They are kinda thin though with not much substance and most of 'em have holes in 'em. Hey, wait a minute, I think I got took. I want my money back.