"Arguing with Hotrod is an exercise in futility". That is correct in your case at least because regardless of how much my words, phrases, and meanings are bent, distorted, and twisted by yourself and others, in the end, I am generally right and you are generally wrong and you know it. One more thing you are wrong about, my "mentors" are not "Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc.". I think for myself and that concept scares the hell out of you doesn't it? In the end, all that you, JV, and others are able to do is attack me personally on the most infantile level such as calling me names like "clown", "idiot", "illiterate", and more. How pathetic!
that you are mildly amused.
You have called me an idiot, and worse, however, my shoulders are broad and I am thick skinned but all that aside. No, I did not "call you a Nazi", I did not suggest you were a Nazi, I did not say or suggest that you would have been a supporter of Hitler in 1938. That's just your own paranoia whispering things into your ear. I simply inferred that you are too quick to trust the word of your elected leaders and I drew a comparison between your good self and the many who have made similar mistakes in the past, FOR EXAMPLE, the many honest, well meaning, trusting citizens of Germany in 1938. Understand?
Yes I could attempt to set you straight on many other issues I'm sure, but I will let it pass and I will let you have the "last word", as I know how important that is to you.....
That's an extremely scathing post there JV! I'm impressed to say the least, and gratified that you feel my ramblings warrant that much effort and time out of your obviously busy schedule but the fact that you HAVE done so rather than simply ignoring, me as say, Jerry, sloppy, and others who disagree with me generally do, again says more about you than it does about me and suggests two possibilities. a). That you are an immensely insecure man, you feel threatened by me, and therefore obligated to verbally attack me. Or b). That you understand that my views may have merit and some basis in fact which absolutely terrifies you and throws you into denial mode and THAT terrifies you even further. In either case, I clearly smell fear, the sort of fear that a cornered small animal exhibits, lashing out and slashing with its tiny claws. I am greatly amused.
Oh yes, one more thing you are wrong about, I have never "called you a Nazi".
to get you to admit that there is a possibility that you may be wrong about human induced global warming probably says far more about you than it says about me.
Science must always doubt itself, question itself - else it becomes DOGMA.
In science, there are no closed doors, no final answers, no absolutes. Hypotheses and theories must ALWAYS be debated. Science is always in flux, as someone such as yourself ought to understand.
No one in science ever "knows" anything and arrogance, such as yours, has no place in science. Methinks you are more of a politician than a scientist Sir.
No, larger batteries, such as might be used in a car are not much better than they were a hundred years ago which is why electric cars are not much more practical today than they were then which is why we aren't all driving around in electric cars. DUH.
Maybe "someday" we will see fit to spend the billions upon billions to produce carbon neutral hydrocarbon liquid fuels in useable quantities but right now we have gasoline for under $2 bucks AT THE PUMP. DUH.
to debate anyone on AGW just as the Pope would be a fool to debate an atheist on the existence of God - so it won't happen. As far as your debating me is concerned, if you look back to the origin of this discussion you will see that it began when I proposed a strictly hypothetical situation as an interesting exercise however, first someone called Jerry and then someone called Jonas Venture immediately jumped up onto their little soapboxes as though they'd been bitten by a rabid dog and started preaching, wagging accusatory fingers, and making a general nuisance of themselves.
I'm totally with you pal on the nuclear power thing, not much question that this is were the future of producing vast amounts of electric energy lies. That's great when it comes to maybe heating our homes or making lights and mixmasters work. Only problem here is the storage issue as regards the transportation thing. Batteries just haven't changed that much in a hundred years or more and oil is pretty damned efficient in terms of storage and transportability. Last I heard, nobody has yet flown a 747 full of people and baggage from NY to LA on a fucking battery or even driven an 18 wheeler tractor trailer rig load of refrigerated lobster tails from Maine to Kansas City. Even the oh-so-trendy Pious has a gasoline engine cleverly hidden away amongst it's mega-load of green???? batteries. Let's also keep in mind that the roads themselves are made of what? That's right, oil! Not to mention, most plastics, many medical and pharmaceutical products, in fact many thousands of items that are a part of all of our daily lives that cannot be replaced with nuclear energy.
that the best way to maintain unapproachable sovereignty is to categorically and systematically deny any opposing view, conduct a witch hunt to weed out and destroy or discredit any skeptical voices, and above all, never publicly debate the issues at stake. That is why you will never see, for example, the Pope hold a public debate with an atheist regarding the existence of God and you will never see Father Gore publicly debate ANYONE regarding global warming. Rather, the Pope and Father Gore will simply issue statements from on high which they will claim to be beyond question and then they will depend on their foot soldiers, their pawns, their dittoheads, their lemmings, such as yourself for example, to keep their ball rolling. It's a very old technique and a very old story.
these issues, why? Because he fears embarrassment and humiliation of course. Gore knows that Monckton is a knowledgeable force to be reckoned with and cannot risk the kind of scrutiny that he would be subjected to under such a circumstance. Like I said, red flags all over the place.
According to the Bible, in the beginning man lived in this beautiful garden in total accord with, and totally in tune with, nature - innocent, pure, perfect. But, man (Adam) could not resist the temptation to taste that nasty ol' apple and thus, was no longer innocent and pure so God tossed his ass out of that perfect garden, that is, man was no longer in accord with perfect nature and was, in fact, somehow separated from nature, contrary to nature, and ultimately, capable of evil against nature, unless he watched his step very carefully indeed. There are many among us who, even among those who claim to have renounced any belief in Biblical stories, continue to maintain the view that mankind is somehow separate from nature and contrary to nature, when in actuality, nothing could be farther from the truth. This persistent concept that nature is good and mankind is evil is right straight out of the Bible and it's total crap. Man and nature are ONE totally regardless of what mankind does and how he chooses to do it.
Okay, now let's get back to our friends Mr. Gore and Mr. Hanson, the self appointed high priests of the religion of global warming who are trying sell us the Biblical story all over again that is, the earth is this perfect and beautiful place, a virtual Garden of Eden, pure and innocent but evil man is acting in a way that is contrary to nature and will destroy the garden by burning fossil fuel unless he is forced to halt these evil ways (And also, by the way, does penance in the form of making the high priests incredibly rich).
Further to that, as God said to Noah, "The fire next time" so, true to form and Biblical prophecy, we are now being told that mankind will be purged and purified of his evil co2 producing ways by, well, if not actual fire, then by heat anyway.
Like I said, the whole damn story is just too Biblical to have much validity but does make a cracker of a bullshit tale. I can't wait for the movie to come out.
Ok Pard. Let's try it YOUR way.
Let's say, just for the sake of discussion that James Hanson is NOT the scientific fraud who manipulates his data to suit his hypothesis as he appears to be and let's say, also for the sake of discussion that Al Gore is NOT the opportunistic, self-serving, disingenuous political snake oil salesman that he appears to be. Also, just for the moment, we will forget that both of these clowns are making millions upon millions off of the global warming scam that they have devised.
With me so far gentlemen?
Okay, as regards AGW, we have now supposedly already passed some sort of imaginary "tipping point" from which there is no turning back and the earth will continue to warm no matter what we do. Within a few short years, all the ice will melt, the seas will rise, coastal cities will flood, there will be mass starvation, disease, plague, death, and civilization as we know it will cease to exist. Perhaps, the extinction of mankind will shortly follow - all possibly within only about 20 years - according to Hanson.
Great. Let's party! I mean if we are all doomed as these yo-yos have indicated, why not do everything we always wanted to do? Blow a few lines for breakfast, drink a ten martini lunch, and fuck your little sister all afternoon. Why are we maintaining this puritanical veil of civilization if our hypothetical barrel is within a few short meters of the hypothetical falls? Why not fire all of the guns at once and explode into space? I'll tell you why. Because it's all BULLSHIT, that's why. NOBODY in their right mind truly believes any of it.
For Christ's sake, Mr. Gore flatly refuses to even debate the issue. That right there should raise all kinds of red flags to any REAL scientist. Look at this...
The whole damn story is just too Biblical to have much validity and if you don't "get" that, I'll be pleased to explain it to you.
Say what you will about John Coleman, he's done his homework and he has all his ducks in a row and furthermore, you know it! Otherwise, you wouldn't be getting so aggressive and upset. He and I are both old enough and we've seen enough to know a good bullshit story when we see one and this one is a real beaut! This is a bullshit story of absolute Biblical proportions. Betcha without grant money, all those climatologists would be like rats abandoning Gore's sinking ship - and I think you know that too, or you will if you live long enough to acquire a sufficient understanding of human nature. My previous statements stand, especially the last paragraph regarding Gore himself having personal doubts. Watch him sometime when he speaks, watch his body movements and listen to his voice, he is a very nervous and insecure man - as well he should be. He knows, probably better than anyone else that his life could easily end in disgrace, dishonor, and utter, abject failure should reality cut off the limb he has crawled out on and prove him wrong. Recall that Gore's views on the subject were formed at a very young age and came from a climatologist/mentor who himself, had come up with the co2 story in an effort to secure grant funding and later recanted the entire concept.
It would appear that the issue is moot anyway as our disintegrating economy will probably eliminate the possibility of our making too many foolish attempts at "fixing" our climate and possibly save Gore's ass in the bargain. HA!