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So take heart.
I'm pretty well offended by that analogy. The Matrix had nothing to lose.
And Spielberg is another problem. At least Watanabe will be around to Karate chop his old shriveled balls when he gets stupid ideas.
The Matrix had nothing to lose.
What's that supposed to mean?
The sequels were sucky, but the first film rocks.
I didn't realize the Bebop movie was a Spielberg production. That bodes iller than Keanu does. Spielberg hasn't made an un-cornfed movie since, uh, Raiders of the Lost Ark? Jaws? Duel?
The sequels were worse. At least the first one was bad enough that the sequels never got any of my money. Fucking Wachowski's.
And goddamn Jew-works is going to fuck up another seminal anime series!
don't be an asshole, for really.
OMG I can debate the merits of The Matrix all night long. The gnostic moment was so nicely done and utterly un-repeatable. The rips from anime and HK action flicks so inspired.
I also find it interesting that you *like* GITS but didn't like The Matrix. It puzzles.
My rag-head comment earned 4 stars...
I found the Matrix to be a soft rehashing of the childhood notion that "maybe I'm the only real person, everyone else is a robot, and this is all some weird test."
GITS debates complex themes like what makes one "human." Not to mention it's a very satisfying love story, as presented by Oshii. Otomoo is a little too wacky to be bothered with love.
Or "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" or "Jacob's Ladder" or that Star Trek episode where Picard has a complete alternate existence. There is a trope here. And another thing, what is not cool about thinking everyone else is a robot? That is just about one of the coolest ideas there is.
Also themes of "what is real" and "who am I"? Just like The Matrix. Nope. You judged it too harshly. Time to rewatch.
On a related note, that GITS TV show is sorta OK, but not genius. It's currently on Netflix-watch-instantly. The dubbing is stinko.
Maybe. It is a cool idea and goes hand in hand with "what is real" and "who am I." I guess I sort of implied it wasn't. My bad. I meant that it's nothing new, as you said yourself. The problem with Matrix was the "soft rehashing." I don't think the it offered anything new or made any interesting exploration of those themes. Especially as it grows increasingly ridiculous when Neo awakens to the "real world" where somehow humans are used as an energy source. I'm pretty fucking sure you would have to dump a lot more energy into an organism than you would get out in the short term. Think crude oil. Takes a while to collect on just some of the energy that bio-mass stored up over it's life span.
I may watch it again if I can track down some riff-trax for it.
GITS made much more tangible extrapolations on those ideas. Especially the contrast between Batou and Motoko. One a man becoming a cyborg, the other and android becoming a woman, their relationship with themselves and with others. Not to mention the non-physical intelligence the "puppet master." Much more dynamic. Then Innocence makes a heavy exploration about what happens when you include sexuality into those themes.
I mean come on, the Matrix doesn't offer anything even close to that.
I am fairly anti-GITS Stand Alone Complex. But that's Kamiyama's story, not Oshii's. But the dubbing is so bad I never really gave a chance. What's the problem with subtitles? American voice actors FTL.
* correction * In post 8 I wrote "Otomoo" but meant "Shiro." Whoops...
I like how you think the Matrix's over-the-top sci-fi world is ridiculous and scantily-clad Motoko Kusanagi's world is not. It's all extreme, extrapolated, satirical, etc. I think you just like anime better. Riff-trax will not help.
Granted, there are more technical and weightier ideas in the GITS films and manga, but they also suffer from too much talkiness. It's like My Dinner With Andre with cyborgs. Don't get me wrong. I am a fan.
The Matrix integrates well-choreographed and suspenseful fight scenes into an immediate scenario. It's a carefully made film. There are cinematic treats that are purely cinematic. But in the service of a trippy film about layers of reality and belief. Ridiculous, sure, but with amps on 11. I actually had to watch it 3 times to pick up all the good filmmaking going on.
The Matrix world does not sustain much scrutiny. The first film left a lot up to the viewer to puzzle over (or not). That was nice ambiguity. The follow-ups films only revealed that whatever backstory or continuity you yourself might have concocted was almost certainly way more interesting than what was in Matrix 2 and 3.
To bring it all full circle, I also liked that anime compilation of Matrix shorts. The last one about a malfunctioning portion of the Matrix was the best.
What's the problem with subtitles?
Can't get them for the GITS episodes on Netflix-Watch-Instantly, unfortunately.
is definitely more human. Over the top? Yeah, but not too much—certainly not so much that it fails to retain it's credibility. I'm still talking Oshii's GITS. Shiro and Kamiyama are a little more gung-ho. Let's not argue about costuming. And the dialogue is certainly one of GITS's merits, IMO, but I see your point.
I will concede that Matrix had some epic action film making. Too bad it's been copied to death—to the point that I forgot where it originated, until you brought it up.
The Ani-Matrix shorts were hit and miss with me, though I did like some of the world that developed from the other directors. It's been too long since I've watched those to discuss them intelligently. I don't even recall the one you mention.
Yeah, I know! What the fuck!
Almost forgot, Riff-trax make good films great and terrible films terribly awesome.
would be better with booze.
I owe you a margarita or three, but I'm already drunk.
It's in 3D. Nobody is that hardcore.