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 V.18 No.16 | April 16 - 22, 2009 
Willow (pink sweater), her sister Liberty and their father John pose in their house near the Strong City property.
Maren Tarro
Willow (pink sweater), her sister Liberty and their father John pose in their house near the Strong City property.

Feature

Pearls Before Swine

Strong City stands by its spiritual leader and waits for deliverance—at the hands of God or the legal system

The northeast corner of New Mexico is home to towns few have heard of and static-filled radio broadcasts from across the nearby state line. Travelers passing through on their way to Colorado see miles of cattle-grazing land, the only sign of life an occasional cow raising its head to offer a noncommittal stare at passing traffic.

Forty miles beyond the two-lane highway, down gravel roads guarded by dogs sleeping beneath a rare mailbox, past barbed-wire fencing stretching into indefinite horizons, lies Strong City. It appears as a small clutch of mobile homes and fifth-wheels, fenced and gated just like the neighboring plots. A drive-by glance reveals no evidence as to how this property, presided over by Capulin Volcano’s long-dormant peak, could capture the nation’s attention.

In April 2008, just weeks after a larger raid on a Texas group made headlines, New Mexico's Children, Youth and Families Department arrived with state police to escort four minors from the property. The removal was prompted by reports that inappropriate contact may have occurred between three female minors and Strong City’s leader, Wayne Bent (called Michael Travesser by his followers). What transpired was generally viewed as justice meted properly. But others—namely Bent’s followers—felt it as an assault seeped in sin and misguided righteousness.

Strong City appears as a small clutch of mobile homes in northeastern New Mexico.
Maren Tarro
Strong City appears as a small clutch of mobile homes in northeastern New Mexico.

From January to March 2009, Strong City opened its gates to the Alibi, allowing unprecedented access to its church members, including Wayne Bent himself. What follows is their story, in their own words told through interviews, e-mails and Bent’s writings.

In the Beginning ...

According to the group's archived writings—provided to the Alibi by Jeff Bent, who is Wayne Bent’s son—Strong City's origins are in Idaho. Bent and a group of followers had disassociated themselves from the Seventh Day Adventist Church and formed their own church called Lord Our Righteousness. By all accounts, Bent had to that point led a typical American life. He spent two years in the Navy Reserve, got married and had three children. In 1967 he converted to Christianity. Bent graduated from Loma Linda University with a master’s degree in religion and became a minister, serving as pastor for a Seventh Day Adventist Church in California until 1982. From 1982 through 1987, he and fellow pastors David Mead, John Whitcomb and Richard Roos conducted seminars they called “Life Supports,” developed during Bent’s tenure as a pastor.

Following a split between the pastors, Bent and several congregation members retreated to a rural property near Sandpoint, Idaho. According to Bent, vandalism and increasing hostility toward the group—who dress modestly and adhere to a strict vegetarian diet—prompted them to look for a new home. In the spring of 2000 they traded their Idaho property for a ranch in Northern New Mexico.

Prophecy and Revelation

The group settled into its new home believing it would be “fed spiritually for three and a half years.” Bent’s writings indicated that this spiritual feeding included revelations regarding the conflicting natures of God and men. In a November 2002 diary entry, Bent wrote that the group was being taught "the nature of the kingdom of God, and the emptiness from its own selfishness that a soul must experience for itself, in order to experience the kingdom of God.

From left to right: Church member Bethabara talks while Anaiah (Willow’s mother) and Wendy Bent listen in a Strong City house.
Maren Tarro
From left to right: Church member Bethabara talks while Anaiah (Willow’s mother) and Wendy Bent listen in a Strong City house.

"Men are basically selfish, and we were being taught to give all of that selfishness up," the entry states. "We were taught not to own anything or anyone, but simply to be stewards of God's property. We know and understand that the earth is based on its pride and selfishness.”

Jeff Bent says his father received a personal revelation from God while sitting alone in 2000. Bent gathered his followers and told them he had been anointed with God’s spirit; he was the Messiah. His announcement rocked the congregation. Some to drew closer to him, while others questioned the direction the group was taking. Several members chose to leave.

As Messiah, Bent took on the name Michael and began to regularly hand down what he said God had shared with him. His interpretation of a prophesy appeared to predict the end of days, with the specific date of Oct. 31, 2008. That caught the attention of the FBI. His prophesy of the “Seven Virgins” or “Seven Messengers” would cause more members to cut ties with the group.

The Seven

Shortly after he became Messiah, Bent says he experienced a revelation that seven virgins would come to lay naked with him. Bent admitted on the group's website that criminal charges could be brought against him, as some of the virgins who approached him were minors. He decided he had no choice but to obey the directive. He saw it as God’s command.

"He could’ve said, 'Well, Mr. Bent, you’re an old man going crazy, so we’re just gonna give you house arrest and try and get people to take care of you so you don’t do that again.’ But instead he treated me as a mass murderer.”

One by one, women—at first seven, then more—approached Bent to lay naked with him. Three were minors. Some were the wives of other members and would eventually leave their husbands to be “consummated” with Bent. It wasn't the first time. In 2000, two women had done just that. One of them was Wendy Bent, the wife of Bent's son, Jeff.

By 2005, a Strong City member by the name of Prudence Welch could no longer accept Bent as her spiritual leader. She walked away from 15 years with the group but stayed in contact with the remaining members, including her sister Trudy Sayer. (Sayer has since left the group.) Welch was alarmed by the unfolding events being relayed to her—especially those concerning Bent lying naked with minors. She called the New Mexico state police.

Clockwise from front left: The Strong City member known as Esther and Jeff Bent speak with Defense attorney John McCall in his Albuquerque law office.
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Clockwise from front left: The Strong City member known as Esther and Jeff Bent speak with Defense attorney John McCall in his Albuquerque law office.

That phone call—along with several to the Children, Youth and Families Department (CYFD)—would eventually lead to the arrest of Bent, the removal of all minors from Strong City property, and a trial resulting in Bent’s conviction on two counts of criminal sexual contact and one count of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Bent was sentenced to 18 years in prison, with eight years suspended.

Bent’s conviction stunned his followers. Upon hearing his sentence, Esther, one of the “seven,” began a fast in protest. Her fast lasted 30 days and ended when her half-sister Lorraine O’Keefe and the state interceded. The Strong City residents were outraged by the intervention—they saw it as another instance of their rights being trampled by the mainstream culture from which they sought to distance themselves. Bent was also startled by the severity of his sentence. “He [Judge Gerald Baca] went too far with it," Bent told the Alibi via a phone call from behind prison walls in Los Lunas. "He could’ve said, 'Well, Mr. Bent, you’re an old man going crazy, so we’re just gonna give you house arrest and try and get people to take care of you so you don’t do that again.’ But instead he treated me as a mass murderer.”

The Book of Esther

A visibly weak Esther on Jan. 29, 2009, the 30  th   day of her protest fast
Maren Tarro
A visibly weak Esther on Jan. 29, 2009, the 30 th day of her protest fast

Esther ceased taking food after Bent’s sentencing, claiming she was following directions from God. Her fast began Dec. 30, 2008, and lasted 30 days. On days 21 and 22, the Alibi sat down with the Strong City member. Her appearance was somewhat disturbing. She spoke slowly, taking several breaks, and seemed to have difficulty maintaining focus. Her ribs could be felt through her clothing, as she had lost more than 20 pounds by her sister’s estimate. Her walking was labored and she had noticeable trouble rising to a standing position. She was taking in only water, salt and calcium supplements.

“It’s a statement. It’s not only a statement to the world, but it’s a statement to God," she said. "I feel very strongly in my heart a crime was committed. Not by Michael but by the state, and I can’t support that.”

All of Esther’s reasons for the fast center on Bent’s imprisonment. “I don’t know that anyone could know what Michael means to us and how precious he is to us," she said.

"To see him hung for something he didn’t do was more than I could take. It was not only the injustice of it," she continued. "I don’t even have a heart to just live my life if my best friend was locked away for something he didn’t do. So that was when it first came to me, the fast that I would be doing." Esther vowed to fast until Bent was released from prison or God directed her otherwise. The idea occurred to her about a month before the sentencing.

Esther on Day 22
Maren Tarro
Esther on Day 22

“The first few days were really hard; probably the first week I would say was really hard," she said of the fast. Her body began adjusting to the water-only diet about 10 days into the protest. "But I know I couldn’t do this if I hadn’t been given it by God to do it. ... I have done fasts before and I would say they [were] twice as hard as this one. I have not eaten anything, no juice, and I’m sitting here talking to you. That I have the strength, I know it’s a gift."

Even though the fast was relatively "easy" for Esther, it was clearly taking a toll, and not just physically. She had problems with her equilibrium and felt waves of lightheadedness. "I’ll just get these warm rushes through my body and I’ll feel kinda tipsy, and I’ve had some internal shaking.”

When asked how far she was willing to take her fast, she was frank that it could end in her death. Esther said she was “willing to go there,” but she didn't think God would let it come to that.

“I honestly don’t think Father will do that just because I’ve known him all my life, and he’s never let us down. My willingness is that I will take it to death but my vision is that Michael will be released.”

Esther’s mother Hanifa sits in her daughter’s Strong City home.
Maren Tarro
Esther’s mother Hanifa sits in her daughter’s Strong City home.

Asked to consider the impact her death would have on her sister and roommate, who were caring for her during her fast, she began to cry. Her decision could cause them pain, she said, but she was determined to follow God’s wishes for her.

Esther said she considered the jury and judge’s ruling to be “casting pearls before swine.” The phrase is taken from Matthew 7:6. The verse warns believers to not cast what is most precious before the unbelieving—in this case, Strong City’s beliefs before a worldly legal system.

Judgment Day

Throughout the trial and sentencing, Esther has also taken issue with the media coverage of Strong City. Many in the group share her feelings and point to the media’s use of words such as “cult leader,” “compound” and “self-proclaimed Messiah” as evidence of bias and sensationalism. On Esther’s 30th day of fasting she gave an interview to Jeremy Jojola from KOB-4. After the interview, she told him she had “lost all respect” for him due to his coverage of Bent’s trial.

“I can only speak for my reports," Jojola says in response. "Throughout the trial I have tried my best to be fair to the church and I’ve tried to use terminology that would best describe for the layperson at home what this church is about.”

"I don’t even have a heart to just live my life if my best friend was locked away for something he didn’t do.”

Jojola says he was fair in his coverage and that Esther made quite an impression on him. “I have never had anybody be so honest before. I got the sense that she believed so strongly in her convictions that she’s not afraid to tell someone what she thinks. I walked away from that interview in awe.”

Hours after Esther’s interview with Jojola, her half-sister Lorraine, having secured a temporary conservatorship over Esther, had her removed from Strong City. (Esther notes the last time she had seen her half-sister was when Lorraine arrived at Strong City with a camera crew from “The Dr. Phil Show” in tow.) Esther wasn’t heard from for more than a week. The court proceedings were sequestered, meaning no one could access any documents related to the case.

Esther was kept in a hospital for eight days under constant supervision. She claims several attempts were made to force her to renounce her faith. She began eating in the hospital and was eventually released. Esther returned to Strong City on Feb. 7, 2009. The conservatorship was dissolved under conditions requiring Esther to submit to random phone calls and weekly welfare checks. Esther is now in contempt of those orders. She has refused to cooperate and has removed herself from the Strong City property to avoid what she considers further intrusion into her private life.

Healed

“Ever since April 22, 2008, when CYFD came and took me from Strong City, I have had much to bear, watching as well as being involved with this witch hunt the state took up against our little group,” writes Healed, one of the original “seven,” in an e-mail to the Alibi. Healed was given the alias "L.C." during the trial due to her status as a minor. Because she used the name Healed while at Strong City and in her correspondence with the Alibi, she is referred to as such in this article.

“While I was in state custody, CYFD continually harassed me with questioning about my healing experience with Michael even though I had plainly shared it with them right after they abducted me. I plainly stated that nothing was against the law and that Michael never touched my intimate parts,” Healed writes in a direct fashion typical of the 17-year-old.

“They would not believe me, though, and insisted that something illegal and wrong happened." Frustration is a theme that's carried through all of her e-mails. No one was willing to hear her insistence that Bent was innocent, she says. "They were trying to get me to say something that they could construe against Michael and that would give them a good reason to keep me in custody and not allow me to return back to Strong City.”

Healed took her name following the “session” with Bent, saying the experience healed the trauma of being molested years earlier.

"Being naked and vulnerable with Michael, without being abused or used, gave me the healing I needed; and it also gave me a healing from the things inside that had led to my molestation," she says. “I knew Michael accepted and loved me and honored and respected me and it was so different from when I had been molested. ... He wasn't using me but healing and honoring me, and lifting me out of the things that had caused me such distress! This healed me of the turmoil I had inside and caused me to see reality and gave me an anchor in the Truth."

Healed has gained a reputation for being outspoken in the case. She has written letters to the Taos district attorney’s office calling for an end to Bent’s prosecution—or, as she sees it, his persecution. Healed says she has a difficult time comprehending how the outside world—an environment she considers sinful—is safer or more beneficial than Strong City, where she felt at peace and close to God.

"You only care about your own agenda," she wrote in a Oct. 27, 2008 letter to Deputy District Attorney Tomas Benavidez. "No, you are not trying to protect me from a sexual pervert as you want it to appear. ... If Michael had done what you are doing to me now and hurt me, I would have left Him long ago, but He has only loved me. I love Him because He first loved me."

Healed intends to return to Strong City once she turns 18 later this year. According to a juror, who spoke with the Alibi on condition of anonymity, the jury chose not to convict Bent on contributing to the delinquency of a minor in Healed’s case due to this reason. The jury felt that due to Healed’s age and obvious devotion to Bent, it would be “pointless” to convict Bent on that particular charge. The juror was unable to clarify the connection between Healed’s intentions and the jury’s decision.

Willow and Liberty

The youngest girl removed from the property goes by the name Willow. She was 12 at the time of the incident with Bent.

In person, Willow is quiet but straightforward. She also describes her time at CYFD as being unhappy and uncomfortable. “It was like standing in front of a loaded gun, and never knowing when it was going to fire,” she described one the CYFD supervisors in a letter forwarded to the Alibi. She gives the impression that she would like to put this event behind her and return to her normal life at Strong City.

Willow describes her experience with Bent as having the same "healing" results as Healed’s, as does her older sister Liberty, who was not a minor at the time.

"I started feeling like God was putting it on my heart to go lay with Michael," she says of the incident, which was not a part of the original “seven” revelation. “So I wrote him an e-mail and asked him if I could come to his house, and he said yes, I could. So I went over there, and I was kinda nervous,” she says. “He told me, ‘Why don’t I just have you lay on my bed and I’ll hold you with your clothes on?' So he did that. So then he asked me if I was done or if I wanted anything else. I told him I wanted him to hold me with my clothes off."

Willow says Bent left the room while she undressed and laid back down on the bed. "He came back in, and I think he lay next to me. He put his hand here [Gestures to just below collarbone.] and he talked to me for a little while.”

Willow says Bent offered her words of encouragement to help her feel better about herself. He also placed his hand on her stomach when she told him she “held her stress there.”

She says the “healing session” lasted 15 minutes to half an hour.

“It was like standing in front of a loaded gun, and never knowing when it was going to fire.”

Willow exchanged e-mails with Bent between October 2006, when she first began sharing dreams and prayers with him, through May 2007, when Bent gave his consent for her to lie with him. The e-mails contain no obvious sexual content. Willow writes of her “desire” to participate in a healing with Bent. Bent responds that she is close to his heart and tells her to be patient. In one e-mail, he quotes from Psalm 91, a verse that's interpreted to mean that God will keep his believers safe from danger and fear.

“Before Father put it on my heart to go lay with Michael, I had been very shy and closed off with people," she says. "I wouldn’t be able to talk with you. And I couldn’t even knock on people’s doors.”

She smiles easily and makes eye contact as she relates her story. “I feel like a bird,” she says with a laugh, “just rescued from the cage.”

Willow was returned to Strong City and no charges were filed regarding her encounter with Bent. Willow’s account of the incident is remarkably similar to the other girls’ in the cases that were brought to trial. The only obvious difference between them is Willow’s parents say they gave their daughter permission to lie with Bent. The other girls’ parents claim they gave permission for their daughters to lie with Bent but not to undress. Asked to comment, DA Gallegos states, “At the time I evaluated the evidence, I determined there wasn’t enough evidence. That doesn’t mean there won’t be in the future.”

Willow now lives with her sister and father in a house outside Strong City. They all intend to return to the property.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost

Jeff Bent harbors no doubts about the spiritual claims his father has made. “It’s a personal witness I’ve had in my heart about … the spirit I saw come into him in 2000.”

His eyes become intense and his voice gains weight as he searches for a description of their relationship—close, and based on absolute love and trust. “There’s a lightning between us.”

Jeff seems almost empathetic as he considers how mainstream society perceives Strong City. He admits that while he “saw very clearly he [his father] was being compelled by God” to take seven spiritual wives, it’s unsurprising that outsiders looking in determined he’d simply “collected a stable of wives.”

The difference between spiritual and conventional marriage is obvious to Jeff. “It’s not like everyday marriage where people use each other and take each other for granted,” he says. “It’s very much on a spiritual level that they relate to each other.”

He says his father’s conviction is only one part of a larger plan. He believes there’s a purpose attached to the events that will be revealed to them in time. As for the charges, he maintains his father's innocence. Jeff is adamant that there was “no sexual motivation.” The court has taken a sexual interpretation of the “healing sessions” his father held with minors, Jeff says.

The way he sees it, the conviction is a result of the public’s own guilt. “What they do is they judge themselves,” he says. “They judge their own motivations. What he is, is a mirror.”

“And we’ve seen no enlightened response from the court," he continues. "No response from the judge or the jury that’s like, ‘Hey, yeah, this seems offensive to some people but, no, the elements of the crime are not there, the crime did not occur, therefore he’s not guilty.’ ”

Even after the jury returned its guilty verdict, Jeff looked to Judge Gerald Baca for an “enlightened response” in the form of sentencing. He hoped the judge would concede that, “We don’t have victims here who are crying for justice. This is totally brought on by offended ex-members and members of the public who are outraged.”

Jeff refers to the case in Alamogordo where high school coach James Javier Cruz was convicted on three counts criminal sexual penetration of a minor for his sexual relationship with a 16-year-old student. Cruz was sentenced to 10 months work release. With a less severe set of convictions, Jeff expected the judge to sentence his father to probation. Instead, “The judge went to the absolute opposite extreme,” Jeff says, shaking his head.

Deliverance

Bent is appealing the court's decision. He was not allowed to present a religious freedom defense, and the trial was limited to the duration of Judge Baca’s remaining time in office, resulting in several witnesses not being called. Defense attorney John McCall has been retained to file the appeal based on infringements of Bent’s religious rights, issues with the grand jury, time allotment and insufficient evidence.

A writ of habeas corpus has also been filed in the hope that Bent will be allowed to return to Strong City while his case is under appeal. McCall says the sentence was extreme and uncalled-for, especially considering that this is Bent’s first offense. At the time, District Attorney Gallegos pushed for an even longer sentence than Bent received, citing Bent’s “arrogance” and refusal to admit he may have committed a crime.

Discouraging as this year has been, Jeff Bent says his father’s imprisonment has fortified the resolve and faith of the group. “We’ve become more focused on what our heavenly instructions are to our own hearts and what is next," he says. "The answer to that is he comes out of that prison because our faith is centered on the promises of the Bible, which talks about a deliverance that comes from God."

The leader's son has traded outrage for submission. Bent’s “end of days” prophesy was believed to predict the end of “life as we know it.” Since Oct. 31 did not bring about the end of days and Bent has received no further prophecy, Strong City continues to wait for God to reveal his will.

"My timeline ended Oct. 31 of last year," Jeff says. "I’m just waiting now for the deliverance time that we’re in to manifest itself. I expect a miraculous deliverance.”

Public Comments (97)
  • A Clarification  [ Thu Apr 16 2009 11:26 AM ]

    Over all I really appreciate Maren's article. There were a few factual errors, but I think it gives a fair enough opportunity for readers to decide for themselves what they will believe about our group and the events that put us in the public eye. There is one thing I would like to clarify, though, that almost all the media coverage of these things has blurred. That is that when the individuals came to Michael to "lay naked with him," it was not their intent or his to "lay naked together," and he himself was never naked in their presence. But some reports have made it sound that way, and invited imaginations about the events or the motives that are wholly inaccurate. The girls who went to Michael for this, all went feeling a need in themselves to let go of the self protections that they could feel were binding them and preventing them from being free. They wanted to let themselves become vulnerable and trusting in the way every soul needs to become, in order for God to get into our innermost soul and heal us. They had known Michael long enough to know he was a safe place for them to do this, and their requests of him were the specific way the Father in heaven put on their own particular hearts, to bring them into this freedom and healing.

  • Bethabara  [ Thu Apr 16 2009 11:35 AM ]

    Thank you for your clarification. I certainly wasn't trying to suggest anything by using that phrase.

  • Togetherness  [ Thu Apr 16 2009 11:45 AM ]

    There's no mention of "together" that I could find ... I got the impression it was just the ladies who were naked.

  • spell check?  [ Thu Apr 16 2009 12:48 PM ]

    ok, haven't bothered to read this article yet so this isn't a true comment on content yet -BUT- I just can't get over the fact that no one there's bothered to fix the following on the main page: "...Wayne Bent's controvercial..."

    seriously? no one proofreads this stuff? ha.

    (sorry, don't throw chairs! gonna go read it now)

  • Checked  [ Thu Apr 16 2009 2:45 PM ]

    Ah, but you missed "atheletes" and "enylopedia." We accidentally live-posted the unedited the table of contents text. Thanks for your attention -- it's all better.

    Now, back on topic!

  • I'm constantly amazed at how often  [ Thu Apr 16 2009 6:15 PM ]

    people's names often interrelate with their lives. For example, Bob Villa (Villa = house), Bernie Madoff (Made-off - with your loot), and of course, Wayne Bent (Bent = well, bent). There are others but I can't remember any of them right now.


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  • disappointed  [ Thu Apr 16 2009 7:54 PM ]

    i am really disappointed that the alibi who i greatly respect would write such a sympathetic article about a man who i heard alot of rumors about while I lived in Taos as a college student. Believe me there is no reason to respect this man. It doesn't matter to me that the girls got naked and he didn't. He should have known better and for the record I have never heard of a healing session where someone lies naked with someone on a bed. I for one know that even in other religious cultures there is always someone supervising such healing sessions that is not the healer or patient. To me he is the sick bastard that I heard about. A man without morals and I hope never to hear about him from the alibi again.

    anonymous

  • Disappointed  [ Thu Apr 16 2009 9:03 PM ]

    i am really disappointed that the alibi who i greatly respect would write such a sympathetic article about a man who i heard alot of rumors about while I lived in Taos as a college student. Believe me there is no reason to respect this man.

    The article is not sympathetic to either side of the Wayne Bent story. It's simply their uninterrupted words. And, more importantly, the story is more about the other people involved and affected not just Wayne Bent.

    It's interesting that without any outright condemnation (which is not my job) you would see it as "sympathetic".

  • 3 sides of truth  [ Fri Apr 17 2009 10:29 AM ]

    I have always heard that there are 3 sides to every story. Now that you have published Strong City's side of the story, would you now do a story from the point of view of former-cult members? Then maybe your readers could weigh both sides and hopefully find the truth.

  • stratzcatz  [ Fri Apr 17 2009 10:50 AM ]

    You do bring up a good point. I think there have been several stories told from the viewpoint of former members. What I've noticed from reading former members stories and talking to Trudy Sayer is their sides vary greatly. Prudence Welch is almost vicious in her position against Wayne Bent while Trudy, who in no way excuses Bent, is a bit more empathetic. Others, like Johnny Miller, seem caught somewhere in between.

    Here are some links you can check out:

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  • Rumors?  [ Fri Apr 17 2009 11:19 AM ]

    I would like to speak to Disappointed. Why would you form your opinions based on rumors? If it were me I would want to learn some facts, and connect with the people involved as human beings to learn their perspective, before adopting such sweeping judgments about them. If Maren wrote her article according to rumors and the biases and false perceptions you have demonstrated, then "alternative weekly" would be as empty a claim as the phrase, "We report, you decide."

    Before coming out, Maren pledged to write an article that would allow the members of Strong City to tell their story in their owns words, and to leave it at that. She kept her word to us.

  • ....and by the way, he thinks he is the second coming of Christ!  [ Fri Apr 17 2009 11:59 AM ]

    Even if you take religion completely out of this picture, what Wayne did was still wrong. The more you look into this story, the crazier it gets. All through history, people have been vulnerable enough to worship pretty much anything you can think of, and a lot of them were willing to die for it. Maybe its easier than admitting you were wrong.

  • By what standard?  [ Fri Apr 17 2009 6:32 PM ]

    stratcatz, with all due respect, by what standard to you make these judgments? By claiming something "is wrong" we are relying on some sort of belief system to support that, aren't we?

    Are you judging by State law? The witnesses said he did not touch the area defined by law, so that is out.

    Are you judging by Judeo-Christian teachings as defined in the Bible? The laying on of hands is a practice taught by the Bible, and in the Old Testament a child was brought back to life after a prophet laid outstretched on top of his body in his bedroom. The State of New Mexico would have had a cow over that one. Jesus, who claimed to be the messiah, asked everyone to leave a room so he could be alone with a young girl who had died so he could bring her back to life. Who knows what he did in there alone with her. I guess we can't judge Wayne by Judeo-Christian values.

    Do we judge according to broadly held cultural norms? I think my dad would plead guilty to offending people and stepping outside of cultural norms (as Ghandi did when he laid naked with young girls), but we don't throw people in prison for violating cultural taboos, do we? At least we don't claim to do that.

  • Where in the bible is there any naked healing?  [ Sat Apr 18 2009 7:07 AM ]

    Would it be ok with you if the janitor at the local jr. high school was alone with underage, naked girls? Do you have to give up all common sense when you follow Wayne? Does Wayne's religion involve sex(consumation)? Doesnt this look like grooming so he can consumate with these girls at some later time? Do you know that there are many other people out there who claim to be Christ returned? Most of them have many, many more followers.

  • People's names interrelate with their lives  [ Sat Apr 18 2009 7:28 AM ]

    hotrod, truly, the life of Wayne Bent has interrelated with his name and has been a perfect fulfillment of the following verses. This is God speaking:

    "I led them with cords* of human kindness, with ropes of love. I removed the yokes from their necks. I bent down and fed them." Hosea 11:4, GOD'S WORD Translation *friendly bonds

    "...Taking them up in My arms...I drew them with cords of a man [My Son in a human body], with bands of love, and I was to them as one who lifts up and eases the yoke over their cheeks, and I bent down to them and gently laid food before them." Hosea 11:4 AMP

    "The Lord appeared to [us] from afar, saying, "I have loved you with an everlasting love; Therefore I have drawn you with lovingkindness." Jeremiah 31:3, NASB

    Wesley's Notes on Hosea 11:4: "With such kindness as best fits and most prevails with a man. I was to them - As a careful husband - man in due season takes the yoke from his labouring oxen, and takes off the muzzle with which they were kept from eating, when at work. I laid brought them provision in their wants."

    "When they were weak and helpless as children, foolish and froward as children, then God loved them; he bore them as the nurse does the sucking child, nourished them, and suffered their manners. He took care of them, took pains with them, not only as a father, or a tutor, but as a mother, or nurse. When they were in the wilderness, God showed them the way in which they should go, and bore them up, taking them by the arms. He taught them the way of his commandments. He took them by the arms, to guide them, that they might not stray, and to hold them up, that they might not stumble and fall. It is God's work to draw poor souls to himself; and none can come to him except he draw them. With bands of love he eased them of the burdens they had long groaned under." Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

    This is what the Son of God in Wayne Bent did for us.


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  • precedent  [ Sat Apr 18 2009 7:09 PM ]

    stratcatz, I don't recommend that the high school janitor, or anyone else for that matter, be alone with naked girls. Very few people understand the soul preparation and knowledge that is required to heal someone in that manner. With that said, it is not illegal for a minor to be unclothed in the presence of an adult.

    You ask, "Doesn't this look like grooming?" I can't help what people imagine it to look like, but no, it is not "grooming". There was a very significant healing that occurred as a result of Wayne Bent's non-sexual touch that both Healed and Willow can testify to.

    You ask where in the Bible there is an example of naked healing. When King David was old and infirm he had difficulty maintaining his body heat. A young virgin by the name of Abashag was brought in to lie naked with him in bed to "heal" him of his hypothermic condition. It is recorded in the Old Testament that their encounters were non-sexual.

    I don't fault you for your opinions or point of view, but I think you are uninformed and are reacting from ignorance of the facts, and of the Bible that you refer to. Best wishes.


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  • How did you get there from here?  [ Sat Apr 18 2009 8:01 PM ]

    Now King David was old and advanced in years. And although they covered him with clothes, he could not get warm. 2 Therefore his servants said to him, “Let a young woman be sought for my lord the king, and let her wait on the king and be in his service. Let her lie in your arms, [1] that my lord the king may be warm.” 3 So they sought for a beautiful young woman throughout all the territory of Israel, and found Abishag the Shunammite, and brought her to the king. 4 The young woman was very beautiful, and she was of service to the king and attended to him, but the king knew her not.

    God didnt ordain that, the servants wanted to make the king warm and horny(happy). Cherry picking only the verses you want and interpreting them in strange ways can lead you down any path you want.

  • Healed testimony under oath says Bent was naked too.  [ Sat Apr 18 2009 9:12 PM ]

    I read the trial transcript. You can read it here: Visit Page In the transcript, "Healed," (one of the victims), is called L.S and the prosecuting attorney is named Emilio Chavez:

    Emilio Chavez: At that point did you take your clothes off?

    L.S.: Yes.

    Emilio Chavez: Ok. What was Michael wearing at the time?

    L.S.: Nothing. I don’t think. Yeah, he was not wearing anything.

    Emilio Chavez: Ok, did you crawl into bed with Michael?

    L.S.: Yes.

    That should straighten up that misunderstanding.

  • Big Story With More Twists and Turns?  [ Sat Apr 18 2009 9:14 PM ]

    Very interesting story. Seems like there is much more that could/should be revealed. While many seem to be focused on the interpretation of scripture, it would seem that the larger issue of the judge who adjudicated this case and seemed intent on "making his mark" on his career with this, his last case.

    While it's sad to hear of a man-of-the-cloth perhaps taking advantage of these young women, stratcatz makes a valid point. The Bible can and has been used by many for as long as there has been more that one religion to prove points, by interpreting scripture to suit one's purpose. Unfortunately, it seems these young women had parents who were more concerned about Mr. Bent's interpretation of scripture than the safety and well-being of their children. Many atrocities have been carried out in the name of religion. I remain unclear why these girls needed to remove their clothing. Having witnessed "laying on of hands" I can't say anyone was nude. Only God, Mr. Bent and the young girls involved will know for sure what transpired.

    Our legal system is the best in the world, but that does not make it infallible. That is not to say that I disagree with the verdict, simply to say that there seems to be more to this story that might change some minds. Ever heard of politics? Probably played a role in this whole sordid story. Perhaps at some later date more of this story will be known and we may all have a different feeling about Mr. Bent, the victims and the victim's parents. God knows parenting is the most difficult job in the world. Throw religion into the mix and the need to believe in your chosen religious leader to guide you in the ways of the Lord, and if you are inclined to let someone do your thinking for you, there is the potential unfortunate results.

  • Why did these young, sweet innocent girls need to be healed?  [ Sat Apr 18 2009 10:53 PM ]

    Something I have never understood and it has not been explained to my satisfaction anywhere, is why these sweet young girls had such traumatic feelings of inadequacy and felt so unworthy of love that they needed to request such dramatic extremes for healing. To me it is almost like they were first made to be feeling this way (perhaps step 1 of the grooming) and then the rest would be that the only way to truly experience this healing was this "naked before God," who then was Michael.

    Sorry, I just cannot accept that these precious young girls who lived in this perfect world, supposedly free of all the ills of the real world, had any reason at all to feel so horrible about themselves and their life to need this. For me this is the first problem with all of this strange religious practice.

    Either the land is free of evil or it is not. These thoughts of being fat and pimply are what all normal healthy young preteens feel about themselves. And most of them manage to get over it just fine without this extreme skin to skin healing.

    This is one of the reasons I have very serious doubts that this was really for religious reasons. That is because the premise of why it happened at all just seems very wrong. It seems very much like a step by step plan and at the very least a grooming process.

    I have many other thoughts on this ... this is just the first one "that is on my mind."

  • It takes two to do it "Skin to Skin"  [ Sun Apr 19 2009 7:59 AM ]

    In the first post (titled Clarification) of these comments, I found it amusing that in her attempt at setting "the record straight," Bethabara didn't bother to check the record.

    In my previous post (scroll up), I showed that on the stand, the victim, "Healed" (L.S), testified that he (Bent) was indeed naked. And the following is what "Healed" also said on the stand (under oath) about her intention to lay naked together with Bent:

    L.S.: I shared with him this desire that had been building up in me to lie naked with him and I wanted it skin to skin.

    I am surprised at how (there are many examples) this story is continuously distorted with newly created, less incriminating versions. If you compare that first post from Bethabara in with the two quotes which I provided from one of the victim's own trial testimony, you come to the opinion that there seems to be little respect for the truth in communications from the Strong City folk. It was obviously Healed's intent for them to lay naked together and Bent was naked in her presence and, of course, Bethabara (having been there through all of the 'skin-to-skin" communications), could not be unaware of that. "Just the facts... Ma'am, just the facts.", as Joe Friday used to say.

  • Wayne Bent is guilty and he knows it!!  [ Sun Apr 19 2009 12:07 PM ]

    Bent says: "He could’ve said, 'Well, Mr. Bent, you’re an old man going crazy, so we’re just gonna give you house arrest and try and get people to take care of you so you don’t do that again.’ But instead he treated me as a mass murderer."

    So, is Bent saying he would have accepted the guilty verdict had he been given house arrest? Spare me!!

    He keeps saying how innocent he is but I read the court transcripts, what about Healed's sister? In her testimony she said that Bent kissed her naked breast. Funny how he keeps leaving that part out.

    All I can say is this, he knew what he was doing was wrong, he admitted to it over and over but yet he STILL went ahead and did it. For me his sentence is appropriate and I hope he lives long enough to sit out the whole thing. Bent should consider himself lucky, his arrogance and refusal to admit he may have committed a crime could have gotten him a longer sentence.

    The people at SC are just as arrogant, smug and condescending as their leader. People should be able to believe whatever they want. These people at SC expect it to be all or nothing. They need to learn to respect others beliefs too!!

  • sordid story???  [ Sun Apr 19 2009 2:33 PM ]

    "truth and justice," the only thing sordid about this story is people's imaginations about it. These healing events were carried out by the specific instructions of God — to the girls, and to Michael, so those who were not there, yet make the judgment that it was sordid, are not revealing what actually happened, but only revealing that their own imagination and context about what happened is sordid, not the healing events themselves. Those who do not know Wayne Bent's mind and heart intimately, and yet come here and pass judgment on him and what he did, are unwittingly exposing their own context, not Wayne Bent's, because there wasn't any impurity or perversion in what God instructed him to do, or the way he sensitively and faithfully carried out his instructions from God. People come here and announce before the whole world their own impurity of imagination and context, by how they judge Wayne Bent and what he did.

  • SINCE WHEN......  [ Sun Apr 19 2009 3:29 PM ]

    Does a "healing" event involve nudity, fondling and kissing??

    In the court transcripts, A.S. testified that she was naked on the bed, that Bent kissed her more than once ON the lips AND he kissed her naked breast. So yes,to me he is a pervert!!

    To heck with impurity of imagination Anaiah, any rational thinking human being would find a problem with this. And if you would subject your own daughter to something like this you should also be in prison. You should be punished for even promoting it to the young girls there. I've seen how you women look at Bent and you all look like your in some kind of a trance. It's very sad to me. I just thank God that I've never had to get mixed up in something like this!!

  • Healed's testimony under oath says she didn't see him naked  [ Sun Apr 19 2009 3:55 PM ]

    Polemic,

    In writing "Clarification," my focus was to address people's overactive imaginations about what went on, and you know very well what these have been. I will state more clearly what was in my consciousness when I wrote, "It was not their intent or his to 'lay naked together,' and he himself was never naked in their presence":

    It was never Michael's intent for the girls to see him naked, nor was it the girls' intent to see him naked, and they didn't. That wasn't the purpose of the healing. Two weeks before these healing events began, in July of 2006, God forewarned Michael that He would be sending some of the virgin young women who lived in Strong City, to be naked in his presence. It was not in this vision he was given, nor in his instructions, for the girls to see Michael naked, and they never did. L.S. went to Michael in the middle of a hot summer night and even though Michael did not have clothes on, it was dark, and he was under the covers. L.S. did not see or feel his naked body.

    If you will read a little further in the court transcript beyond what you isolated and quoted in your first comment, you will find more of "just the facts":

    Ms. Montoya: Ok. But were there any words that were encouraging you to do anything sexual with him?

    L.S.: No.

    Ms. Montoya: He wasn’t encouraging you to touch any naked parts of his body?

    L.S.: No.

    Ms. Montoya: Have you seen him naked?

    L.S.: No.

    Ms. Montoya: So, that’s gonna cause some confusion. Ok, because I think people think when you said he didn’t have clothes on, that you saw him naked.

    L.S.: It was dark and there was no lights on.

    Ms. Montoya: So, when you walked into his room was he in his bed sleeping?

    L.S.: Yes.

    Ms. Montoya: Before you got there, he was sleeping,but obviously when you were there, he wasn’t sleeping. But, so, was he under covers?

    L.S.: Yes.

    Ms. Montoya: Ok. So his intimate part, you’ve never seen?

    L.S.: No.

    Ms. Montoya: Or felt?

    L.S.: No.

    Regarding the "lay naked together" part, what was in my consciousness at the time I wrote "Clarification," were the minor virgins as a whole, and I honestly had forgotten that L.S had expressed that desire for a "skin to skin" contact, or I would have made that exception. It was not my intention to hide any facts. Our lives at Strong City are about telling the truth, not distorting, disrespecting, or hiding it. None of us have any investment in protecting a sexual predator or hiding any kind of a crime.

    As in the Bible and other times in history, now and then God calls people to physically act out a spiritual truth, as a strong "visual aid" in order to help people "get it." This is what God did with the virgins and their requests. It showed the world what it takes for the soul to be healed by God. But it has been received, as the article's title so aptly states, as pearls before swine.

  • Have you ever been wrong?  [ Sun Apr 19 2009 4:27 PM ]

    Have you ever just known you were right about something, willing to stand your ground, only to finally realize you were wrong? The BTK serial killer was a well loved and respected member of his church for decades. Those who knew him could not believe he tortured, raped, and killed many women over decades. Do you really ever know someone? I'm sure you think you do. When your family and friends tell you that you are standing in a house that's on fire, dont you think you should at least go outside where it is safe and take an objective look?

  • Impossible!!  [ Sun Apr 19 2009 4:39 PM ]

    Barbarella said : Healed & Michael both laid naked in the bed together skin to skin but Healed never felt his naked body.

    Please explain to me how she would not feel his naked body when they were laying together naked, skin to skin???

  • Anaiah you totally missed the whole point!  [ Sun Apr 19 2009 5:09 PM ]

    First of all where in my post did I say anything was sordid? But if that is the word you want to use fine. My point clearly was, why would these young girls have anything so terrible to be concerned about in their lives that they would need to be healed in such a manner?

    The picture on this very page of Willow to me looks to be a lovely, precious child. I was led to believe that everything was perfect and wonderful on the Land. When I read the transcripts that is what I heard time and time again. My goodness Willow would have been 12 or 13 when she laid naked with Michael? She did this because of so many insecurities or traumatic thoughts that she could only recover by a "healing experience?" I would very much like a list of what was bothering her so much that this very dramatic method for recovery would be needed.

    Either the land is this very special, wonderful, loving environment, free of the rest of the world's evils or it is not. You cannot have it both ways. And I contend that if these young girls were made to believe they had these deficiencies in their character that needed to be exorcised by Michael that someone helped to create these in their minds. Grooming Part One.

    Did the older ladies also feel this need to be healed skin to skin? What was the purpose for their consummations? And am I correct as I read this that Michael consummated with two daughters and a mother from the same family? Did they all have to be healed? doesn't anyone there find this just a tiny bit sick and maybe even to use your word, "sordid?"

    And what exactly does "skin to skin," mean if it does not mean without any clothes on. Clearly that is what Healed wanted from Michael. Are you saying she lied when she testified or wrote about it in her diaries and on line in her posts.

    And now am I to understand that Michael is not really the Messiah as he has written repeatedly over and over again for months and years? Doesn't that mean that the women and girls consummated and or laid naked with Wayne Bent?

    Lots of questions and it would seem that a lot of what is given as answers is scriptures and "double talk." Try very hard answering a few of the direct questions posed to you here on this forum.

  • Quick comment  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 12:11 AM ]

    I just wanted to say that the discussion is great. I think, for the most part, the posts have been civil and well thought out. One of the reasons I was interested in doing this story from the Strong City point of view was to illustrate how journalism and media have evolved. With the online format such discussion is possible. The back and forth between readers and the subject allows the story to continue beyond publication. Where as in the past the final punctuation on the last line was just that, today a story has an outlet that permits readers to take it further. This can be beneficial to all involved with the story: the writer, the subjects and the readers. I love it. So many things result. The most important, to me, is that those written about, who too often we forget are actual people, can jump in and assert themselves.

    With so much bad news regarding the state of journalism these days this is one aspect that we should be excited about, and I look forward to its continued development. Of course, there is a downside. When just anyone can voice their opinion some will, and do, use the format to contribute little more than garbage for their own amusement. But I've noticed the tolerance level for this is rather low which I find encouraging.

    Thanks to everyone who has posted and please continue. I look forward to reading everyone's two cents.

  • Oops! regarding "truth and justice" and "sordid story"  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 6:33 AM ]

    I'm sorry, "truth and justice," it was in "jansenmom's" comment that I read the words "sordid story": "Ever heard of politics? Probably played a role in this whole sordid story." It was on my mind to address the "sordid story" comment, and to address what you brought up about the "sweet innocent girls," and I somehow got it in my mind that they were from the same post.

  • regarding "sweet innocent girls"  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 6:33 AM ]

    "truth and justice"

    I will now address your question about the "sweet innocent girls." I do not have any hope in explaining it to your satisfaction however, because spiritual things are spiritually discerned and only someone who loves the Spirit of God and has been yielding to Him honestly, will be able to see what I am about to share. But I am addressing a few of the questions and issues on this forum that I am being led to address here, purely for the sake of any who are truly honest in heart and haven't already convicted Wayne Bent out of the prejudices or passions of their own hearts.

    With the exception of A.S., all of the virgins that God sent to be naked before Michael, felt the need of inner healing on a deep core level. They were desiring to be healed from yielding to, and being affected by, the selfish, sinful, self-centered human nature that all of us born into this world have inherited. God put on their hearts that they needed this special healing in order to be freed to always recognize and yield to the thoughts and feelings of the Christ Child Who has also been placed within each one of us born into this world. As any sensitive and aware person recognizes, there are two natures at war within us human beings, and each person determines by their daily choices which nature will be victorious in the end.

    God led our little congregation into this isolated wilderness place so we could be free from the many distractions of ordinary life; so we could be in an environment that was quiet externally, and have the opportunity to become quiet enough internally to receive His inner instructions to us and His special help. He was going to teach us how to clearly recognize the difference between the impulses and thoughts of the human and the impulses and thoughts of the divine in our own souls, and always yield to the divine. God had brought us out into our quiet wilderness place to prepare us to be able to live with Him in heaven because "someday" had finally come, and no one who is yielding to their selfish, sinful human nature would even be happy in heaven where every Being is selfless and pure and completely transparent in everything they do. I realize that those who love yielding to their human lusts and self interests, or are in love with their own "goodness," can't begin to comprehend the depth of this inner soul work I am speaking of. All babies come out of the womb naturally yielding to their selfish, self-centered human nature, and heaven would actually be hell to anyone who is selfish, self-centered, self-interested self-willed and self-righteous.

    It is true that our land has become a very special, wonderful, loving environment, free of the rest of the world's evils, but it has become that way because people were willing to give up their selfish human nature and live only by the divine nature within. It has become that way because every person has become willing to die to their personal self interests, and be a living sacrifice for the blessing of the others. But the process of laying down one's own selfish life is a very painful process, because you're denying your very self in order to follow the desires and promptings of the Christ Child within you. This is an intense process that requires time, patience, a vulnerability and intimacy with the Spirit of God, and inner pain, even for an adult. Add to that the conflicting feelings and awakening impulses that the teen years naturally bring, and it makes it much more difficult for them. So these were some of the things that the girls were feeling, and it was in God's mercy that He made a way for some of the young people who had special inner needs, to be able to have extra help in dealing with their inner conflicts and stresses.

    L.S. already shared that her special need was that she had been molested previously. A.S. also had special needs. She had inherited some of the learning disabilities that her father and grandfather have had to deal with, in addition to having had some high fevers as a baby. These things had put her at a disadvantage in coping with even the normal things a teenager has to deal with, never mind the deep internal things that God had brought us here to learn and master. Because of space constraints, I will share in a separate comment what Willow's special needs were.

    While all of the other girls had strong desires on their hearts for deep inner healing, A.S.'s expressed concerns were surface, or superficial. What was on her heart was that she was fat and pimply. A.S. left the land several months after her event with Michael, and she shared with me by email that after she left, God had told her that the reason she couldn't receive Michael's healing was because she had been dishonest with him. It hadn't brought healing to A.S. to become physically naked with Michael, because she had done it without the accompanying internal process of being really and truly nakedly honest, with herself or with Michael; nakedness wasn't what she was doing internally. Over a year after she left, she made the statement that she had been copying the other girls who were asking to be naked before Michael. At the time though, she told Michael that God was telling her to ask this of him. Michael is a man of his word, and he always takes people at their word, unless they prove that they aren't true to their word. But ALL who came to Michael in honesty, at the clear instruction from God, received life-changing healing.


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  • You asked about Willow's special needs  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 6:44 AM ]

    Willow had special needs because in her birthing process she had been stuck in the birth canal for many hours, and the emotional and mental effects from that, which were seen throughout her life, were in the form of inordinate and incapacitating fears that gave her extra things to deal with than a "normal" child has to deal with: she had a great fear of suffocation, and would often wake up at night calling out desperately, "Help me! Help me!" if the covers got over her mouth or head. One of her greatest fears was a panicky and unreasoning fear of any fire becoming out of control, be it fire in the wood stove or even the smallest fire outside, and she had this reaction without having had any traumatic experience in life that would have given that to her naturally. She further had an overpowering and incapacitating fear relating to people noticing her, or fear of being around people she wasn't familiar with, which would reveal itself in her hiding if a stranger appeared, and then she could not make eye contact but only look about in a terrified way.

    When Willow was 11 years of age she was given a dream by God in which she felt a strong desire to ask for healing from Michael, and that she was given by God to request from him that he hold her on his bed without her having any clothes on. She communicated her desire to Michael by email and he told her that he was willing to heal her, and that Father would arrange it. Seven months later, after she had turned 12, and after God had taken her through an inner process of preparation to receive the healing He had prepared Michael to give her, He sent her to Michael's house and she received healing. Michael hadn't known beforehand when God would send Willow, but after God sent her to him, he shared with me that several weeks before she came, God had brought to him about walking her through a process of re-birthing so she could receive a new context of life. Willow shared with me afterward that that experience gave her an inner security and stability she had never felt before, because after that when she would feel harassed by old familiar fears trying to come back, the safety and security of Michael holding her, would come back to her, and she would feel again the protection and love and acceptance of God that she had felt then, and her fears couldn't take her over again.

    Willow indeed received a healing that was so marked, that people in the land marveled and wondered what had happened to her because of the change in her, prior to knowing what had brought about the change. This one healing encounter with Michael was the beginning of a new life experience for her. She had had a lot of stomach difficulties due to the fears and stresses she had carried there, but that began changing right away after her healing with Michael. She exhibited a security and calmness that we had not seen in her before, and she stopped going into a full panic when she smelled smoke in the air. Willow is a completely different young woman now, and that change began with Michael holding her naked on his bed. This was purely a religious experience, to both Willow and Michael. They were the only ones there, and they both testified that there was nothing sexual about it.

  • "willing to die to their personal self interests...."​  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 7:41 AM ]

    The members of Strong City have been heavily indoctrinated for decades. Would their beliefs be different if Wayne had never been there? Would the Branch Davidians still be in Waco if David Koresh had never showed up? Are people ever so fooled by someone that they give up everything that is important to them? How many tears have been shed by the family members who have been cutoff by Strong City? How many former members have had years of pain? This is not love.

    "because spiritual things are spiritually discerned and only someone who loves the Spirit of God and has been yielding to Him honestly, will be able to see what I am about to share" How dare you claim that we dont love God! That is probably the most condescending thing anyone could say.

  • Blessed are your eyes, Pamela, for they see.  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 9:18 AM ]

    The following message was just emailed to me through the Strong City website. It is from someone we have never heard from before, but who has the spiritual eyesight to understand the truth about the whole story just from reading on the Alibi. We didn't have to explain anything to her.

    The article would have better been named "Blessed are the Pure in Heart".

    I have years of experience with sexual crazies. This man is not a sexual crazy. He may be crazy with the Love of God, but not with sex. It looks to me like God put it in his heart to do what he did, even tho he knew he may get in trouble, as a witness to this jaded world. He showed us a pure heart. The world has forgotten this truth. We needed to witness it in this man and his followers.

    Be strong. Praise God. Please share this with the Alibi.

    With You in Jesus

    Pamala

  • Charles Manson gets letters of support every day!  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 9:33 AM ]

    Are we to see these people as having spiritual eyesight. Pamela, have you truely spent any time looking into both sides of the story, or did you make that statement based on just what you read in an article that was "in their own words". I'm glad you did not have to explain it to her.

  • "Anoymous"  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 12:02 PM ]

    Heh. Are you missing an 'n'? Or is that the phonetic spelling of a New Englander saying "enormous"?

    "Da National Geographic ad on deh alibi.com home page was wicked anoymous!"

  • the selfish, sinful, self-centered human nature that all of us born into this world have inherited.  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 2:01 PM ]

    Speak for yourself Aniah! I really don't appreciate the accusation that everyone in this world (with the exception of the folks at SC of course)are selfish, sinful,and self-centered.

  • Wayne and his ladies -- whole lotta healin' goin' on.  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 2:17 PM ]

    Maybe it will be helpful to consider some relevant information in order to be able to determine whether there was a sexual climate going on there or one for healing. Here are the facts. (Names were redacted which relate to minor children or their parents).

    And you think this was about healing? Whatever.

  • I'm confused...  [ Mon Apr 20 2009 5:19 PM ]

    In the transcript that Bethabara quoted, L.S. says that she didn't see his nakedness because

    L.S.: It was dark and there was no lights on.

    If that is so, how did he know where he was placing his hand when he placed it on her sternum? If it was too dark to see his nakedness then it was too dark to see hers. How then could Wayne be "so careful" as to not touch her breast if he can't see her parts due to darkness?

    Wayne states in the trial transcripts:

    Wayne Bent: Yes.

    (Bent stands up)

    In L.S.'s case, it was straight up and down like this. If I put my hand on the sternum of somebody clothed, I’m not always so careful where I put my hand. But in her case, I was being exceptionally careful, not to enter into any kind of sexuality with her.

    I'm only bringing this up because the L.S.'s statement completely confused me. Either it was light enough to see clearly where parts were or it was too dark for him to be able to be "so careful". Can you shed some light on this Bethabara?

  • Thanks for clearing up any confusion!  [ Tue Apr 21 2009 5:53 AM ]

    Polemic, you have hit the nail on the head! Even Ray Charles could see that!(if he was still alive)

  • Thank you Maren!  [ Tue Apr 21 2009 5:45 PM ]

    For doing the article on Strong City and allowing us to post. Many of the comments posted here have been submitted to their website but they do not put them up. The only comments you will see them post are positive (and those are few and far between) otherwise it's just them commenting on their own articles.

    I will never understand that bunch, ever. I don't believe that I need to divorce my husband, turn my back on my daughter/family/friends, live in a campground at Strong City and have sex with an old man just to get to heaven.

    My husband and I are both 48 years old. We have one daughter who is 25, married and expecting her first child. My husband and I don't use each other or take each other for granted as the LORites seem to think married couples do. We both have great jobs, we live comfortably but were not extravagant people. We are looking forward to our new grandson in July and hopefully retirement in the next ten years. My husband and I are very blessed, we take nothing and no one for granted. We are both Christians, attend church weekly and love our God.

    I couldn't imagine walking away from my life to live like they do. What's so funny to me is the guy they think is their first class ticket to heaven is sitting in prison.

  • One last thing.....  [ Tue Apr 21 2009 5:53 PM ]

    How ironic is it that this "Father" the one that whispers in their ear and guides them has led Bent to the place where he now calls home. Don't you think?

  • An observation  [ Tue Apr 21 2009 10:08 PM ]

    I'm not picking on anyone. I just wanted to point a few things out.

    1.Why would SC post negative or critical comments on their site? Plenty of sites control posts by approving comments before posting. If SC just posted everything that came their way imagine what a circus the "discussion" would become. Even the Alibi removes posts or, occasionally, lends a Swedish accent to posts that are out of line. It's their website, a place they post what THEY want. Big whoop. There are plenty of other places to post your thoughts. (As I'm sure you all have. I've noticed a select group that seems to find all SC content and post.)

    2.One of the more common complaints I've read here and at other sites is that SC members refuse to admit that its critics are right, that SC members always insist they(SC) are right. I would say the same holds for its critics, too. People on either side of this issue think they are right and are unwilling to budge.

    3.Several people who post about SC like to refer to their own Christianity as proof of why SC is wrong, criminal, immoral, evil and so on. Some of those posters, especially on other sites, can be pretty rude, nasty, smug and unforgiving. It's been some time since I last went to church, but I remember something about approaching people in an opposite manner:kind, empathetic, open and understanding. If someone knocked on my door and told me I was stupid and sucked, I'd probably close the door. What do you guys hope to accomplish by jumping all over these people? Convincing them to come be "normal" like you?

    4.Here's a question I'd really like an answer to. In all seriousness, what is it about this particular case that has so captured your time and attention? What sets SC apart from all the other people that make the news? (Many for crimes that make Bent's seem like jaywalking in comparison.)

    Please don't take my questions as an attack. Personally, it's just that the way people have reacted to this case is what I find most interesting about it. I've had an opportunity to ask SC all the questions I could to varying degrees of satisfaction. Now I'd like to hear from those who have also followed this case and been so outspoken. Also, I'm not taking sides, just genuinely curious.

  • Why is this case so interesting?  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 6:47 AM ]

    Maren, what drew me into this case was the NG special. I know there are many other cults out there, and I have studied a few out of a curiousity from a socioloical point of view, but that special was the strangest thing I ever saw. In my opinion, I could see a psychotic manipulator controlling these vunerable people. The look in their eyes was just like that of the Manson Family. I contacted "Michael" by email and was surprised that he emailed me back. He was very smug, and not very "savior" like. Then the legal case started, and those like me who felt like this guy was grooming these young girls( and probably would have "consumated" if someone didnt stop him)had to keep up with the case. I have seen a few rude and thoughtless comments, but for the most part what I have seen are rational statements trying to get through to those still under Wayne's spell. And when you really listened to both the former cult members, and the current members, you can make up your own mind. I have watched this for a long time and I have.

  • Free Will Rules!  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 6:54 AM ]

    Also, I'm not trying to convert them to any religion or denomination. We must all find that on our own.

  • Wholly Healing  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 7:02 AM ]

    Yes, polemic, there truly was a whole lot of healing that went on, but it wasn't anything like your filthy and gross imagination pictures it, or your scurrilous and libelous words try to convey it. It was a healing that the lustful and perverted will never know anything about.

    Swine don't recognize a pearl of rare purity and beauty when they they see one; they only have the capacity to go hog-wild over the ooze and filth that they continuously wallow in while imagining that everyone else is as they are.

    No, polemic, Michael Travesser aka Wayne Bent has never had even one mistress. What goes on in the lustful imaginations of the swine, is not what happened at Strong City. What did happen, was that there were a lot of living sacrifices, which were, and are still being, consumed in the humanly incomprehensible will of God; what did happen, was there were souls rescued from the torments of their natural selfish human nature by the tender and pure touch of God, to arise and begin walking in the glorious liberty of the Sons of God.

    No, the swine will never comprehend the purity and complete freedom from human lusts that marked Michael's every healing event, or the exquisite mental and emotional pain that tortured his pure and sensitive heart as he was required by God to go against himself in order to follow Father's specific instructions in every healing event. The swine will never know that cost to themselves, because it takes one to know one, and only those whom God has laid on His altar of sacrifice will know and understand the sacrifice of himself that Michael aka Wayne Bent experienced, and is still experiencing.

    The swine will never recognize "The Pearl of Great Price," or see the beauty of his nobility and integrity, his meekness and sensitivity, his faithfulness to his Father's every instruction at any and every cost to himself, and his long suffering patience with and faithful bearing of those God sent him to save.

    The swine will never see the King in His beauty — the Lamb of God in human flesh, Who the Father sacrificed for the deliverance of the Lamb's wife, the Bride of God — those who have sacrificed everything in order to love God with all their heart, mind, soul and strength, and have allowed God to lay them on the altar of His excruciating and beloved will as a living sacrifice.

    The swine will never know the sign that was given to this final generation in the final year of the Messianic prophecy of Daniel 9 — the sign of Isaiah 4:1, of seven women laying hold of one Man, and receiving His divine Self fully into themselves — heart, mind, soul and body, as a living parable of how every soul must lay hold of the Spirit of God within them, with every part of their being, in order to translate to heaven from this earth before its final destruction, without dying physically first.

    The swine will be as the scoffers and mockers in the days of Noah: "They knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of Man." "The wicked shall do wickedly, and NONE of the wicked shall understand, but the wise SHALL understand."

    This is the judgment. The healing events that God Himself brought about in our land were the catalyst for the judgment of God. "Then shall you return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between the one that serves God and the one that serves him not." By the judgment that people make on these events, they reveal the difference between those who hear God's voice in their own hearts, witnessing to these events that He brought about, and those who don't; between those who profess to love God, and those who really do love God, the true Husband of the soul, no matter the personal cost to themselves to follow Him; between those who love their own goodness and those who have seen very clearly that they don't have any goodness of their own, and who married God alone so He could BE their goodness, from within them; between the swine, and the pure in heart. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God" in every healing event and intimate consummation that He brought to pass in our land. And the healing virtue from every excruciating living sacrifice will flow into their own hearts and minds, and they too will enter into the "marriage of the Lamb," and partake fully of his "marriage supper" prepared for them at such an infinite cost.

    "Hereby perceive we the love of God, that He laid down His life for us [in every intimate consummation and in every non-sexual healing event] in order to marry us to the Spirit of our heavenly Father. And in turn, we also have laid down our lives for each other," in order to love each other with the same tender, faithful, selfless, self-sacrificing love that Michael has loved us with; "hereby perceive...the love of God."

  • Cultured vs Precious Pearls  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 1:28 PM ]

    The "pearls or fruits" of the LOR is nothing but devastation, broken marriages/families ruined and very unhappy followers

    who look, act and talk of there very unhappy lives waiting for a deliverance that will NEVER come!

    EVERYONE can see this except themselves.

    Tragically a few members died believing Bent healed illnesses/cancers.

    Ask sad families how "healed" these dead people are!

    LORites claim was spiritual healings not physical, have answers for everything, doesn't square w/ Scripture!

    Wendy Bent elderly dying mom broken hearted by years of shunning because she doesn't embrace belief that Bent is god. .

    One wonders if Johnny & Lillian divorce is @ Bents direction, retaliation/punishment for leaving SC after

    realizing wrong, Bents teachings became sexual, stopped squaring w/ scripture.

    THIS is LOVE? THIS is A Pearl of great price?

    An oyster force fed ANY grain of sand, tossed back, left alone will make a pearl.

    But only produces a cheap cultured pearl!

    No matter how hard the oyster tries, no matter how hard it toils and festers the pearl produced will NEVER BE a genuine rare and precious pearl!

  • Twinkletoes  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 2:25 PM ]

    I'm applauding you.... Excellent post!

  • Anaiah's last post  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 2:31 PM ]

    shows their true color and how they speak to people and yet they want acceptance.

    I wonder why miss Wendy had to have SEX with Bent several times, is that how long it takes to be "healed". You can't tell me there was no pleasure in it for either of them. And this is what I don't understand about them. They can't be married because men and women just use each other but the women can have sex with Bent and Bent only. So what do all the other men do? And please don't tell me nothing because I would never believe it. Do the explode...implode??

  • Few would condemn Wayne for taking mistresses  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 2:42 PM ]

    I posted a follow-up comment about this article on my alibi.com blog. Perhaps it was too long for this thread.

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    You can go there to read it (and comment here).

  • I don't get it  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 5:40 PM ]

    Bethabara said: As in the Bible and other times in history, now and then God calls people to physically act out a spiritual truth, as a strong "visual aid" in order to help people "get it." Why is this spiritual truth, then, not acted out on anyone but attractive and/or young girls and women. Why not men, why not older/less attractive woman? I think this act is not spiritual, but of the flesh.

  • Why not be honest about it all?  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 6:52 PM ]

    It is interesting I read Polemic's post and I did not think he was eluding to anything "filthy," at all. The fact that you, Anaiah felt that way, might be more of an indication that maybe you realize that for all of these consummations to have happened with all these different women, and the same man, that maybe just maybe, there is something a little strange and unusual with this? Your overuse of the word "swine," made me feel the same way regarding how you see this, not how the rest of us see it.

    It seems, Anaiah, that you are coming off as very defensive and angry in your post. I have never understood why the world is only supposed to be tolerant of you at Strong City but you can show no tolerance for the masses and feel the need to label us with words like, "beast," and "swine." I always thought very religious people were supposed to "turn the other cheek," and be accepting of others?

    “But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” Matthew 5:39

    Special Healings

    You admitted your family needed these "special healings," and yet you clearly participated in something that is shown in the Bible to be wrong,

    Leviticus 18: 17 - Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter

    How exactly do you justify a man having sex with not only yourself but your daughter as well? And I know you will turn this around and say that your spiritual consummations were not sexual. But a consummation is what it is, whether it was sexual, emotional or a healing. The reality is that a Biblical law was broken. Or do you like to just pick and chose which parts of the Bible can be quoted?

    I honestly do not think very many people really cares how many mistresses Wayne has taken or why. And if all you women like to share this man, no one really cares about that either. From Polemic's chart it looks like it has been going on for a long time and you all seem to still be getting along alright, so obviously this has been a good thing on the land. All of Wayne's mistresses have some how been able to accept each other "amazing but wonderful!"

    What still puzzles me the most is why you all continue to be so defensive about what has been happening? Why do you want to make it look now, like it is something that it isn't? I think that is my biggest problem with so much of this is that you all have clearly posted volumes about how much this man means to you, how much you all wanted this "skin to skin," and these consummations, but then when the heat appears on you, you all seem to deny it or make it appear different now than it really was. Why all the dodging and weaving of the truth? Some of us have read all the detailed posts on various boards by many of the mistresses and we know exactly what you all have said and it seems to be different now. Why is that? If you love the man, stand up and be counted!

    Take Polemic's Little Chart and be proud!

    I personally would have a lot more respect for all of you if you were honest and stuck to your original convictions of what happened and why with each of your consummations with Wayne Bent. I have always had a real problem with hypocrisy and that seems to be what we have been getting ever since the Strong City site was scrubbed from the web. Like I said, why not be honest about it all?


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  • Thought  [ Wed Apr 22 2009 8:28 PM ]

    Hi Truthandjustice,

    I think the purpose of the name calling is to sort of "dehumanize" everyone else, so their perspective holds less weight. The multiple uses of the word swine also reminds me of a saying my mom used to use "thou protesteth too much", which to her meant she had struck a nerve. I think what has been said on this blog has struck a nerve and for that reason has put them all on the defensive.

  • Mother Swine!  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 1:04 AM ]

    Isn't it crazy that Bent claimed his perfect seed "must" be in them in order to gain salvation. He had a vasectomy ages ago. And how about the men?!

    So what perfect "seed" is he referring to?

    Can you imagine a huge clan of these Bent children!

    I worry about STD's as well. Now that's down right scary!

    Nothing coming from Strong City speaks of love and caring.

    Instead they spew out rage and hatred towards anyone who does NOT believe that Bent is god!

    How many years has Wendy Bent shunned her own mother only because she won't embrace Bent as god.

    Will Wendy let her mother go to her grave greiving when should have joy?

    How many years has it been Wendy since you loved your mother, or do you consider her only a swine as the rest of us?

    What a sickening and sad legacy these people leave behind them.

    Lets just hope and pray they will be open to Gods leading them and NOT continue as they are.

    If they do, will only lead to destruction and ruin as did all other cults who went off the beaten path and had sex with everyone,

    especially the leaders of these groups. Is satans "signature"!

  • The end of a balanced conversation  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 4:41 AM ]

    Twinkletoes - as you have done on every forum (as crytears), you have set about to destroy this discussion too. Your posts are not only repetitive (restating over and over what you just said in your previous post and on every other forum you have ruined), but you are full of a strange malicious anger yourself making unsubstantiated accusations and condemnations. You spew out far more venom and animosity than we ever have seen from any Strong City representative. Like all the other forums on this subject where you have participated, this thread will most likely be closed as a result of your efforts (beyond90seconds.com couldn't keep up and closed his discussion threads out of frustration in dealing with you and your numerous posting id's). Once the Crytears (the name you use elsewhere) postings begin, it signals the end of a fair, balanced conversation. What a shame to see yet another discussion bite the dust from your postings.

  • ? ? ?  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 5:57 AM ]

    It sounds to me like Twinkletoes may know Wendy or her family on a personal level and is appalled by her behavior.

    I don't think this person had anything to do with Mark taking a break from Beyond90seconds.com either. He has

    taken on a job that requires him to drive over 150 (can't remember extact) miles a day round trip. He has a lot on his plate right now.

  • Me?  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 5:57 AM ]

    What first drew me to this story was the program "Inside a Cult" on National Geographic. When Esther and Danielle were in the kitchen washing dishes and Esther was speaking about Michael's post being naked & unashamed in front of God, I knew right at the moment this was going to bring them trouble.

    The second was Esther fasting. That girl was slowly killing herself and nobody was doing anything about it. When the police came and took her I was standing at my desk doing the "happy dance" because I knew she wasn't going to die. My daughter is close in age to Esther and my heart just ached for her, I felt helpless.

    Truth&Justice is right, call it whatever you want but consummation is what it is. When you look up the word in the dictionary it says, consummation is the first act of intercourse between two people. I am curious to know why 'some' of the women have had several so called consummations with Bent. How many healings does a person need??

    If this was just a group of adults, I wouldn't give a load of dirt what they did. But these beautiful young innocent children, it makes me so angry. Knowing these mothers have slept with Bent and then encourage their daughters to be naked with him. I don't get it, I just don't get it.

    I thank God that my parents never got involved in anything like this and that I had the childhood that I had.

  • What is important for a good discussion?  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 6:22 AM ]

    Sorry I have to disagree Racegirl. I have never seen anything in one post by CT/TT on any board where there was anything that I could take from it and comment further on. And that is what a discussion board is all about. If one is just going to "agenda post," then they need to go to Word Press and start their own blog and then they can say whatever is on their mind over and over again. It is misplaced on a discussion board. And it did enter into why Mark closed his board.

    Personally I have enjoyed very much what the people of Strong City have to say here. It may appear sometimes like I am against them. But actually I would like to try and understand them better and maybe by trying to share some dialog with them I might be able to do that.

    I am a firm believer that people have a right to their own religion. It does not bother me in the least that Wayne has had all these women. Truthfully it is rather fascinating. What is it about him that the women take to? Is he that kind and benevolent that they even ignore some Biblical scripture to be with him.

    I guess Maren that is what has drawn me to this case, to answer your question. It began perhaps as a Sociology project (formerly my major in college) and this group is fascinating on so many levels. In addition the legal aspects, right through a possible appeal have me hooked and my interest remains very high. I was disappointed when Mark closed his board, but the opportunity to discuss this with those actually living on the Land has been even better.

    I hope they will return and the good quality discussion can continue!

    I also wish I understood why this comment board sometimes does not seem to accept post?

    TnJ also TruthandJustice

  • Confused  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 9:12 AM ]

    I've been a frequent poster on Beyond90seconds.com and I guess I have never seen a post from TT. CryTears, maybe once or twice. Would this also be the person that posts under WhisperWind??

    I agree with you on the fact that people have a right to their own religion and I too am fascinated by their lives. It's the kids that pull on my heart strings.

    I have shared several emails with one of the members of SC, trying to understand their beliefs and how they live. She is an extraordinary woman and I've learned a few things from her and even about myself. I appreciate that.

  • turn the other cheek  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 10:01 AM ]

    As I have read these comments I was struck by the fact that there are those who think of themselves as wise, fair minded and balanced, yet they fool no one but themselves. There is a wide gap between those who honestly ask a question that they might be informed, and those who are obviously questioning the motives or character of the one they are addressing. They just simply put a question mark at the end of their thinly veiled contemptuous accusation.

    As to the accusation that Anaiah was being defensive, name calling or protesting too much, I would have to say, no, for I know Anaiah. She is one who can and has remained silent under abuse, and she knows very well the true meaning of turning the other cheek, for she intimately knows the Spirit of the One who first uttered those words. However, there is a time to be silent and a time to speak.

    Consider this event near the close of Jesus life. "The high priest then asked Jesus about his disciples, and his doctrine. Jesus answered, I spoke openly to the world. I often taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, where witnesses were always present. I have said nothing in secret. Why do you ask me? Ask those who heard me. Then one of the officers slapped Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Is this any way to answer the high priest? Jesus turned to him and said, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of it, but if well, why did you slap me?" John 18.

    Jesus' cheek was always turned to the smiter. However, he also had a sword in his mouth that cut right through to the truth of any matter. He always, and only, spoke the words that his Father gave him to speak, and this is also true for Anaiah. She never writes off the top of her head, but listens quietly and only writes those things given her of the Spirit. It is quite easy for prejudicial people to imagine they understand the motives of the heart and place their own spin on any story, making it out to be something that it is not. The man who slapped Jesus did this and received a sword for it.

    One of the descriptions of the second appearing of God's Son is with fire in his eyes, a sword in his mouth and wearing a coat that is drenched in blood, That blood is not his own but the blood of those who have resisted his mercy. He is followed by a large company of souls who are intimately involved in the same work. You can read about it in Revelation 19. Gentle Jesus, meek and mild, is also a truth speaker, and the truth often spills blood. As I read Anaiah's words, I did not see her calling anyone a swine. She was very accurately defining the actions of a "swine", as it is used in scripture, so that no one could miss it. So, I would say if the hoof fits...

    One very important thing I have learned is that adversaries do not profit by any amount of information given them, no matter how clear and detailed it is. It is not about information but about which spirit one yields to. That spirit will control what they hear and say, and that applies to every soul on the planet. For whoever you yield yourself a servant to obey, his servant you are.

    I can certainly see the wisdom in the heading of this article. For the pearls have been trampled into the mud again. Swine just can't help it. It is impossible for them to change themselves, yet I have read that with God all things are possible.

    For the record, Liberty is not Willow's sister or Anaiah's daughter.

  • Williow and her sister Liberty  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 10:34 AM ]

    The caption under the photo in the "Pearls Before Swine article" of the man and and the two females (scroll up) says:

    Willow (pink sweater), her sister Liberty and their father John pose in their house near the Strong City property

  • factual errors  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 10:47 AM ]

    Yes, we know there are a number of factual errors in her article, but they were not intentional on Maren's part.

  • More about Willow and her older sister liberty  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 10:47 AM ]

    Also in the article (which we are commenting on):

    In the section called Willow and Liberty:

    Willow describes her experience with Bent as having the same "healing" results as Healed’s, as does her older sister Liberty, who was not a minor at the time.

    and

    Willow now lives with her sister and father in a house outside Strong City.

  • factual errors  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 10:50 AM ]

    Yes, these too are errors. John is not Liberty's father and Liberty was visiting, not living there.

  • So only the Keele women were a mother daughter combination.  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 10:58 AM ]

    If the article is wrong about Liberty being John's daughter (and therefore Jody's), then it would seem that Debbie Keele (Ami) and Bethany Keele (Moriah or Security) were the only mother/daughter combination having sex with Wayne Bent aka Michael Travesser. Fair enough.

  • Correction  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 11:37 AM ]

    I mistakenly wrote that Willow and Liberty were sisters. I regret any confusion this has caused. Thank you all for pointing this out and thanks to the SC members who have expressed understanding for how this mistake could have been made.

  • "(and therefore Jody's)"  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 12:50 PM ]

    polemic

    Liberty is not related to either Jon or Anaiah. And neither has she consummated with Michael. The fact that a number of virgins remain as such in this land is a strong commentary to the fact that these things were of a God-directed, spiritual nature, and not at the lustful whim of a cult leader.

    I would like to address something else here. It is a great error on the part of many. I don't think "having sex" is what any of the seven members of the Bride would call it. Those words do not reflect the reality of the true nature of what the marriage of the Lamb is.

    If a woman were raped, it is not likely that she would refer to her experience as "having sex" with her assailant.

    If a pair of school kids were fornicating, their context of what was taking place and their way of speaking about it would be far different from the rape circumstance. The little girl might say, "Oh, I'm in love" while the young lad may express a far less elevated perspective.

    If a man and a woman were having an extra-marital affair, their description of their experience may differ widely from the two previously mentioned. However, they might likely say that they "had sex".

    If a husband coaxed his wife into "having sex" but she was not really interested, what do you suppose she might refer to what happened?

    If a married couple were very much committed and caring for one another and they, by mutual desire, engaged in this act as an expression of their bond, do you not think that they might find it objectionable to hear their intimate connection described as "having sex"?

    In each of the previously mentioned incidents a "sex act" occurred. Yet you cannot label them all as the same thing, can you?

    So it is with the Consummation of the Marriage of the Lamb. It is not at all comparable to any of the previously stated experiences. It springs from a completely different root.

    The senseless slaughter of innocent animals, just for the fun of seeing what your new rifle will do to some unsuspecting bunny, cannot be compared to the slaughter of a cow for needed food. Nor can either of these be compared to the sacrifice of a little lamb showing faith in a Redeemer to come. Yet in these three cases the same thing happened: an animal's life was taken. And the sacrificed lamb can be no more than a shadowy symbol of the cross of Jesus. For, even though there is a life taken, how can you compare the death of an animal with the death of God's anointed Son? The cross of Christ can only begun to be understood when you hang upon your own cross at God's direction and with his help. So it is with the Consummation of the Marriage of the Lamb. You can only begin to speak of it when you have been placed there at God's direction and with his help, whether it is fulfilled literally and physically, as with the Seven, or a deeply spiritual thing in the quietness of your own experience where God has brought you to feel the nakedness of your own need and you have yielded to his penetrating Spirit.


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  • I have corrected two entries...  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 1:11 PM ]

    I have corrected my two entries, which included statements based on erroneous information in the Alibi article. If you refresh this page in your browser, you will see an updated chart in my "Whole lotta healin' goin' on" post. Plus, if you look at my alibi.com blog post, you will see that it is now updated as well with the facts as they are known. You can read that revised post here:

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    I only want to deal with the facts. They speak for themselves.

  • what did you think it would look like?  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 1:47 PM ]

    Dear Readers

    From a purely human standpoint, devoid of any depth of understanding and based upon mere ocular evidence, one can comprehend how it is that those of you who have had such a problem with the S*E*X aspect of Strong City might have grown imaginations regarding those events that have gone "hog-wild", as Anaiah so aptly put it. However, part of the point of Father's living parable with His people here has been to WAKE UP those who have put their faith in being "only human" to the fact that God dwells in human flesh.

    The Marriage of the Lamb. "Thy Maker is thine Husband." The Bride of Christ. What did you think these things would look like?

    All along the way, Wayne has taught that "Christ in you" is the experience of a true christian. The reality and purity of this mystery is what divided the Lord Our Righteousness group back in 1989. Living without sin was as offensive then as the Consummation parable is now. The Strong City/Travesser story has been to make this mystery of godliness so plain that no one can miss it.

    All of the participants, including the children, who were chosen by God to be living characters in this celestial drama have had to bear things that most people will never even begin to be aware of, that is, of course, unless and until they are called and chosen to be faithful throughout their own annihilating fire.

    But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them......For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts,....we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

  • I reject your reality and substitute my own.........  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 2:43 PM ]

    The Heaven Gate cult believed so strongly in there "truth" they laid down their lives. Is that noble? Is that admirable? Jim Jones' followers either were murdered, were the murderers, or committed suicide. That takes a lot of conviction! So why should it surprise me that the Strong City cult members will not look at all the similarities of all of the cults through out history and see that they are in the same trap.

  • In Wayne's own words  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 5:10 PM ]

    Rather than debate what this is about. It is perhaps best just to review what Wayne Bent, himself, said concerning having sex with the virgins In the following, Wayne talked about his commandment from God to have "intimate physical relationships" with the seven virgin messengers, all of whom had requested it of him. He explains how he was aware what the penalties would be. And bent tells how, at first, he fought against God's command, but then he told God that he, "...would do whatever He asked of me."

    We learn that Wayne says he resisted the will of the Father, but in his final statement, he says that he will "carry out" what God instructed him to do (have sex with the seven virgins), "no matter the consequences and no matter the circumstances."

    Wayne Bent's own words do a lot to shed light on what came to be called by him, his "strange acts." We no longer have to speculate about Wayne's intentions or the mission which he then set about to complete.

  • God's command  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 7:52 PM ]

    Yes, perhaps Wayne had it right when he said, "The Son of God doesn't say 'No' to his Father."


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  • confused  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 9:30 PM ]

    I've been a frequent poster on Beyond90seconds.com and I guess I have never seen a post from TT. CryTears, maybe once or twice. Would this also be the person that posts under WhisperWind??

    Some of us believe eternal destinies are at stake in this episode and already the results of real truth and justice are being seen. If you only want strongcities point of view, they have a site, I am sure they will engage respectfully with you, as long as you coddle them, even though they will come on this site and denigrate the intelligence of one who dare stand up to their abuses. Hopefully this site is open for all to comment on. . By the way, to whom it matters, whisperwind is not CT or TT.

  • What Wayne Once Believed!  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 10:09 PM ]

    If I may borrow a bit from Polemic's post and further comment using Wayne's own words and how I interpret them.

    Wayne clearly states right here:

    This was an awesome moment opening up to my mind. Immediately the five other young women whom the Father had called to be His messengers came to me individually and told me that it was on their hearts to come and lie naked with me on my bed. But there was more. The young ladies shared with me that they saw clearly that I am the Son of God, and their desire to be with me was not a human drawing. Since receiving their request, they shared how they had been delivered from fears and other emotions that had troubled them, when they were naked and vulnerable with me on my bed, and six of the young women desired a closer connection with me and asked for an intimate physical relationship with me. My response to each one was that the Father would arrange those things which were on His heart to accomplish and He would arrange anything which was to come. This revelation was initially startling to me, for I had never considered it before they had requested it of me.

    My thoughts

    It would seem that after the first two women consummated with Wayne Bent back in 2000, a number of years passed. And then one day as Wayne was walking it came to him that there would be seven virgins who not only would act out the events in Revelation Sixteen but would also request to lie naked on Wayne's bed. But that was not enough they also wanted a physical consummation with The Son of God. It would seem at least at that point too, Wayne as Michael was saying he was indeed The Son of God. I do not understand why that has been backtracked from, again one of my questions?

    Wayne states how he agonized over these requests that the girl's would make from him:

    My first inner response to these "intimacy" requests was a terror of what that would mean to me. For one thing, I had no desire for a physical relationship with these young women. It was not that they were not worthy souls, but the mountain of impossibilities for these things seemed staggering. I began to consider the ramifications and my self-interests. Could I survive such a thing? But more than that, two of the young women were legally minors, and that could mean jail time. That would finish ruining my already cultish reputation. I shuddered more for the girls, however, and for their interests. This looked like a great crisis for them.

    My thoughts:

    It is interesting that in Wayne's own words he immediately expresses his concern over two of the females being underage. As far as the court case goes, this shows he knew that it was wrong, and he knew it would be a problem. He even states that there might be jail time involved. And that is exactly what happened. Right there in Wayne's own words he puts himself right where he must belong, in a jail cell.

    To be continued ...

  • More from Wayne!  [ Thu Apr 23 2009 10:10 PM ]

    Again Wayne's words on the minors:

    Now it becomes evident how the church would be judged by these events. Two of those persons who requested intimacy were minors. Truly, if I were to carry out this request, I would, according to the state, be a criminal.

    My thoughts:

    If he carried out their request, which he was indeed considering, he would be a criminal!

    It was too much and Wayne could not follow through:

    After some days wrestling with the images and fearing the outcome, I asked God to not put this on me. I told Him that I could not do what the girls had asked of me. I also told the seven young ladies that I would not be with them in a physical way as they had requested. I was finished with considering it. The girls were visibly shaken and some of them wept at the stand I had taken. I felt that it was the right thing to do for the girls' sake and for my own sake.

    My thoughts

    If we are to believe Wayne this was an agonizing decision for him to become a criminal in the eyes of the world and even his church. He must back away from this, he says.

    God leaves Wayne:

    Shortly after this, while in prayer one evening when I told God that I would not be doing these things, I felt the Holy Spirit leave me. I felt as though the Father was saying to me, "Okay, I will release you and get someone else to carry out My purposes." I was suddenly stricken with a terror I have not felt before. Also, I was without God, and confusion began to set into my mind.

    What happens?

    The terror that enters his body because God has left him is too much for Wayne to bare.

    Wayne says he will do anything:

    After this revelation of the removal of the Spirit, I told the Father that I would do whatever He asked of me, but I could not live without His Spirit.

    Where we are today

    And this is where we are today really. Wayne admits he would do anything, anything apparently that the girls wanted. The consummations with the seven virgins occurred and he stopped short with the underage girls, even though they requested more, he only allowed the spiritual naked healing, which of course by the laws of the State still caused him to be locked away.

    Wayne seems to accept whatever would be in store for him:

    I would now carry out whatever the Father instructed me, no matter the consequences and no matter the circumstances.

    No matter what, really?

    No matter what? Now he is in jail and that was the "matter what," that was his fate for his actions. A man cannot be put in jail for a consummation with an "of age woman." He is not in jail because of that. Wayne sits in jail for the actions with the young minor children. The actions that by Wayne's own words he knew would be a problem.

    It is not for the wonderful "Marriage of the Lamb" with the Seven of Age Virgins. I am not sure if you from Strong City exactly understand that. The only reason that it was posted here about all the Consummations was just to give a bit of a history lessons for those that were unclear about what happened and when.

    It is still the young precious children that most of us are thinking about when we show are concerns regarding Wayne and his women.

  • Truth & Justice  [ Fri Apr 24 2009 8:33 AM ]

    Bravo! This is what I was saying all along and you picked it apart and spelled it out perfectly.

    Bent knew what he was doing was wrong, he knew the consequences and yet he did it anyway. He is right where he belongs!

    And you know, I think it was pretty selfish of Bent to

    disregard the law for the sake of the Spirit of God. (If this is truly what happened-I don't believe it) He should of been man enough to walk away and know that he was doing the right thing.

  • Just a question...  [ Fri Apr 24 2009 12:47 PM ]

    Quote from Hanifa: Dear ReadersFrom a purely human standpoint, devoid of any depth of understanding and based upon mere ocular evidence, one can comprehend how it is that those of you who have had such a problem with the S*E*X aspect of Strong City might have grown imaginations regarding those events that have gone "hog-wild", as Anaiah so aptly put it.

    My thought-processes function quite well I think, but try as I might, I am unable to "see" things the way you all seem to. I do not understand why (if this is not about sex and sexual attraction)the only ones Wayne Bent was called to consummate with are either beautiful and/or young women. This disparity is quite obvious to even a casual observer. Why weren't any men, homely women, or old women in need and worthy of at the very least a healing? I also wonder how all of you will feel 5, 10 or 20 years from now if the promised journey has not yet come to fruition? To be honest, I think there has been more focus within your group on the "messenger" Wayne Bent than on God. Your group is in no way unique in this...I see it quite a lot where the charasmatic pastor of a church seems to become more of a deity than God himself.

  • sordid story  [ Fri Apr 24 2009 1:45 PM ]

    "truth and justice," the only thing sordid about this story is people's imaginations about it...People come here and announce before the whole world their own impurity of imagination and context, by how they judge Wayne Bent and what he did.

    Anaiah, the seed of Waynes field has come to fruition. It is no accident that Wayne and you folks find yourselves at this place in your existence. You are your own creators. If there are impurities and imaginations, they come from the fertility of your own minds and hearts. It is your actions that force the conclusions that are reached about this case. It seems to me that you are trying to use the same infantile technique that Adam used in the garden when he tried to defend his behavior. (the woman that you gave me was the cause of this) or (the world that you gave me was the reason this happened) “HOGWASH”. Better go read what Adams next move was!

  • ˙˙˙uǝʌɐ​ɥ ɯoɹɟ ǝƃɐssǝɯ  [ Fri Apr 24 2009 5:59 PM ]

    ˙uoos pǝɔunouuɐ ǝq llıʍ ʇuǝɯǝɔɐldǝɹ sıɥ ˙pǝʎǝqosıp ǝuʎɐʍ ˙oʇ pǝsoddns ǝɹǝʍ ʎǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ pıp ʎǝɥʇ ˙ʞsɐ ʇ,upıp ʎǝɥʇ ʎɐs ʇ,uop ˙˙˙puɐ ˙suıƃɹıʌ ǝɥʇ ɟo uǝʌǝs llɐ ɥʇıʍ ǝʇɐɯɯnsuoɔ oʇ puɐɯɯoɔ ǝɥʇ ʎǝqo ʇ,upıp ǝɥ ǝsnɐɔǝq pǝɔɐldǝɹ ƃuıǝq sı ʇuǝq ǝuʎɐʍ ˙˙˙uǝʌɐǝɥ ɯoɹɟ ǝƃɐssǝɯ

  • At last a way to communicate with the Heavens!  [ Fri Apr 24 2009 6:48 PM ]

    Well it is about time. Polemic has found a way to get the real answers on all this. And it is very clear that Wayne is in big trouble for not listening to God and doing all of what was asked of him. It is no surprise at all he is where he is. Thanks Polemic for getting this message sent down!

  • Closer to Michael......  [ Sun Apr 26 2009 9:24 AM ]

    One of my contacts in Albuquerque has spotted the "important ones" from Strong City there.

    Word is they have moved to ABQ too be closer to Bent. All of "his" women (including Esther) and probably Jeff. What could this mean??

  • Polemic: "Actually, no, the opposite is true..."  [ Sun Apr 26 2009 10:40 AM ]

    Polemic, TNJ, et al,

    I question that you even believe that God gave these instructions. So, I would like to ask, do you really believe God has been speaking to us in these things, or is this really just a facetious point that you mockingly thought to build your case upon?

    Which ever is true, you have missed the understanding of what following God's instructions are. They are always step by step, and in his time and way. The soul that is connected to God never runs ahead of him. Wayne was told not to refuse their requests but to tell them that he heard their requests and he would wait to see what Father opened up.

    When Abraham was instructed to offer his son as a burnt sacrifice, he did not immediately run into Isaac's tent and drag him out and kill him. He followed his present instructions and set off on a journey that lasted three days. Then he saw the mountain and felt the witness in his heart that this was where he was to go. They left the servants and ascended the mount as he was instructed. He followed each instruction as his heart was so impressed to do, all the while, suffering intense emotional pain. As he was about to cut his son's throat, he was given another instruction, "Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him..." Should Abraham have argued with God about his previous instructions?

    Everything that has happened here, in this land, has been by instruction. Wayne has never taken anything into his own hands. One of the reasons he was given these difficult instructions was to bring him to a place of total trust and obedience. A place where he had to lay his reputation and life on the alter and let it be burned up just as Abraham did. Some tend to think that Abraham and his son were spared this great sacrifice just in the nick of time, but both of their lives were placed upon the alter that day, and were a sweet savor to Father, for their love was shown in obedience. Jesus had to experience this type of process too. For it is written in Hebrews 5:8, "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered" and so it is with all of God's children. Father has given these instructions for his own purposes. He says and does what he wishes, and orchestrates every act in the lives of those who know how to listen and follow without putting their own hand to anything without explicit instructions. That is why each of us have felt safe in the actions and outcome of everything that has happened, and that is why there are still virgins in this land. The virgins have been safe and unmolested. Being with Michael in such a vulnerable condition and being treated with utmost respect and guarded from any personal intrusion or bodily violation is what brought such a deep healing of their fears of a God who might want to hurt them.

    All these events have clearly exposed the hearts of each individual involved. And by that I mean you and every other soul who has been part of this whole process. You are as intimately involved as Wayne in all that has happened. You will be held responsible for what ever part you have played. Whether it be for blessing or for cursing. You will decide your part, and you along with each of us will receive the outcome of what we have created.

    Many have seen Wayne's incarceration as a just punishment. But it has been perfect, and has worked a wonderful outcome thus far. I know he would not have it any other way. Many of his personal family have come to believe in him, and his daughter who has been separated from him for many years has been reunited with him as a result of this imprisonment. So, it is no small reward for being faithful. He is seeing the travail of his soul and is well satisfied.

    Truly there are two sides to every story. There are those who see as you have seen and continue to look for reasons to overturn what God has done, by thinking to prove that we are just another deluded religious cult gone awry. You have not seen the grandeur of the forest because you focus only on a few carefully selected shrubs.

  • Mishael?  [ Sun Apr 26 2009 11:00 AM ]

    I find it hard to believe that Bent thinks his 'punishment' has been perfect. Why then all the posts from him on his website? Seems to me like his surroundings are getting to him!! He's innocent, he prayed wrong....

  • racegirl  [ Sun Apr 26 2009 11:04 AM ]

    You will not be able to wrap your mind around this

  • racegirl  [ Sun Apr 26 2009 11:09 AM ]

    The cross was a terrible thing but it too was perfect. Father is the only one that can open it all up so that the confusion turns into clarity.

  • Here a cult, there a cult, everywhere a ..............​  [ Sun Apr 26 2009 3:58 PM ]

    The only "instructions" that Strong City has recieved has been from Wayne, and from their own minds. Strong City is a cult, driven by Wayne, who has tried to write himself into the bible. All of the rationalization and play acting in the world cannot turn Wayne into divinity.

    Dont worry too much, though, cause there are plenty of other cults and "messiahs" out there that would love to take you guys in.

  • Good-bye Cruel world...  [ Wed Apr 29 2009 11:57 AM ]

    The recent writings coming from the LORites is rather disconcerning with claiming they WILL be delivered, is immanant and sure.

    Writing about not wanting to live in this world a day longer.

    They have gathered closer to Bents prison.

    Will Bent be successful in convincing them that his way is right no matter what the consequences may be? He twist scripture to mean what he wants it to read.

    One can make the bible say what ever one wants if you glean scriptures here and there, take out of context.

    Bent claims he wants to take his flock out of this earth along with him.

    I believe he will.

    These people insisted on having a god amongst themselves and God allowed it because they demanded this. Only it is NOT anything holy like they think.

    May God have mercy on their souls because they KNOW what they do!

  • Wayne's Sentencing Prophecy  [ Wed Apr 29 2009 1:55 PM ]

    A Youtube has been made of Wayne's last statement, or Prophecy on December 30, 2008.


    Play Youtube Video

    Trial Transcripts can be found here:

    [link]


    Last edited [4/29/09 1:58 PM]
  • To Mishael - Wayne says that he did consummate with the Seven virgins.  [ Thu Apr 30 2009 10:42 AM ]

    To Mishael:

    To view that video and transcript go here (also includes full discussion of Wayne's sexual ministry in his own publications).

    Visit Page

    Enjoy!

  • 7 virgins - 7 wives  [ Wed May 6 2009 11:47 AM ]

    There is confusion about this matter. The seven virgins or messengers are not the same as the seven women mentioned in Isaiah 4 "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach."

    Only three of the virgins were among these seven women. All those symbols are fulfilled and there are no more consummations that will happen.

    As with Abraham in his sacrifice of Isaac, Michael only had to submit to a willingness to do whatever Father actually brought to pass. That did not mean it all happened as it was first presented to Michael's mind and heart. Everything was done by Father's decision and appointment. Wayne Bent was not orchestrating these events, God was.

  • Mishael - Wayne prayed for the sex with virgins cup to be passed, but God said no, so Wayne obeyed.  [ Fri May 8 2009 3:37 AM ]

  • Promised deliverance.  [ Fri May 8 2009 3:30 PM ]

    "My timeline ended Oct. 31 of last year," Jeff says. "I’m just waiting now for the deliverance time that we’re in to manifest itself. I expect a miraculous deliverance.”

    If those of Strong City and Mr WayBent truly believe in some miraculous deliverance, then why the heck are they going through all this trouble, time and effort trying to get Bent out of prison?

    God can open the prison doors to let him out as he makes this miraculous deliverance.

    And those closest to Bentman moved closer to the prison seems a little odd if that miraclous deliverance is just around the corner!

    Does it mean those who aren't gathered close to Mr WayBent won't be able to be delivered along with him? And what about those who believe but don't live close to SC...What about people like Milton who is here in Oregon?

    Does he get to be delivered and taken away as well, like some secret rapture?

    And why go through all this trouble building another case if you're going to be leaving planet earth anyway?

    An appeal takes years to get finalized. So why bother, if you truly believe in this miraclulous deliverance?

    And if this hasn't happened, lets say 2 years from now, will you still believe the same things?

    Or perhaps you all don't truly beleive there will be a celestial rescuing!

    THATS the way it looks to those outside SC!


    Last edited [5/8/09 3:38 PM]
  • Helpful post  [ Sun May 10 2009 7:33 AM ]

    Nice Post by Polemic, in helping to understand what these scriptures really mean.

  • witch hunt??  [ Tue May 19 2009 3:04 AM ]

    Although I am not religious, and personally think the cult people are "kooky", — I must say this really seems like a modern day witch-hunt. The trial determined that he did not have "Sexual touch", nor did he touch any "intimate area" that would have been covered by a swimsuit. Moreover, Wayne kept his shorts on the whole time. Meanwhile, the day before, a Fire Captain in the same state, who had full sex with a minor, was given probation and let go. Wayne Bent got 10+ years in jail, which is more than some murderers get. He was jailed because of religious belief. It should be UnAmerican to jail people for kookiness or religion.


    Last edited [5/19/09 3:06 AM]
  • Perv hunt!!!!!!!!!!​!  [ Wed May 20 2009 2:36 PM ]

    I'm still amazed that people forget that there are victims of this man out there. Bent broke the law, and even Healed said under oath that Wayne was naked. He uses religion to control people, and if you check your history you will see many disastrous examples of what happens when people are controlled. Sex is part of Wayne's religion, and he was obviously grooming these girls for "consummation". If you cant see that this is wrong, then please have you conscience checked, it is broken.

  • Videos and comments at Strongcity2.in​fo  [ Wed May 20 2009 3:25 PM ]

    On the [link] site, which is the mirror site, the latest National Geographic show has been posted on the videos page (just click the videos tab at the top when you enter the site). It is there in six segments... on the video page... scroll down, because they are the last ones on the page.

    Also on the Strong City Mirror site there is a Comment tab at the top. You can actually post your comments or offer further discussion of this case on any page, by filling out the Comment form. Unlike the Strong City site which limits comments on the Strong City2 site about 99% of the comments will be posted.

    Or if some want to discuss a certain aspect of the case, that would be great too.

    With the hearing today (no news yet) it would seem this case still brings out passionate feelings on both sides.

  • I agree with jjj  [ Sun Sep 6 2009 9:50 PM ]

    Cause jjj said, that freedom of Religion is prohibited over there in the USA. I do not agree on his opinion on Prince Michael not being Messah and all, I only agree on seeing these inquisitional lies that the sheeple comply to, are not American.

    Michael Travesser is Messiah.

    I see no reason to discuss this any further.

    But for people that do not believe the truth, I mean, that these people comply to this court desicion, is a big shame on the people my Ancestors gave their life for to save from the Roman Inquisition. From my information, there are preperations made for China invading the USA, supported by Japan. I will be on the side of Japan, while I want, if possible, save the people that believe Michael is Messiah. The rest will burn in Hell.

    Period.

 
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