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 V.19 No.32 | August 12 - 18, 2010 

News Profile

Blueprint for a Dream

An undocumented student imagines a life deemed legal

 
Jeff Drew jeffdrewpictures.com
 

Maria’s passion for architecture and work as a graduate student fall prey to one consideration: She is an undocumented student. Every life decision is hinged on how she can keep her status a secret.

This might have been more difficult in Arizona, where negative sentiment toward undocumented immigrants reached a fevered pitch and spurred SB 1070. The law would have required officers to check on citizenship status whenever they suspected someone might be in the country illegally. But on July 28, the day before the law was scheduled to go into effect, Federal Judge Susan Bolton blocked this and other controversial portions of SB 1070.

But even though the federal judge struck down the most contested provisions of the law, Maria (whose name has been changed in this article to protect her identity) still has reason to feel uneasy about her future. It is difficult for her to find work, as she is never sure who will hire her without a Social Security number. Yet she has been allowed to attend college through grad school on a career-oriented track. By all appearances, it’d be difficult to guess she’s an undocumented immigrant—or that she’s even an immigrant, period—but she has spent her life in limbo.

"You Better Get Used to It"

Maria moved to the United States from Chihuahua, Mexico, when she was 7-years-old. She has attended school in the United States ever since. Though her father was deported once (and managed to return), Maria did not grasp the personal consequences of her immigration status until she started to apply for jobs. "Before, it was just something my parents had to deal with," she says. Her first brush with disappointment came right after high school, when she applied for a summer position at a financial company. Her would-be employer needed to perform a routine credit check but could not do so without a Social Security number.

"I came home crying and my dad started laughing when he heard what happened," she recalls, laughing herself. "He said, 'You better get used to it.' ”

Since then, 25-year-old Maria has built up a thicker skin, but she is not immune to feeling a sense of injustice. She says she probably won't be able to work as an architect in the United States. That is, unless the Dream Act, a piece of legislation that will allow her to remain here legally, becomes law before she graduates from UNM's School of Architecture and Planning in May 2012. (Find out where New Mexico’s congressman stand on the Dream Act here.)

The act, which has bipartisan sponsorship, would grant conditional residency status to undocumented citizens who crossed the border illegally at a young age and remained in the United States. To qualify for this status under the law, residents would have to have arrived before they were 16, lived in the United States for at least five years, and received a high school diploma or a G.E.D. certificate, and they must be under 35 when the bill is passed. Opponents have argued that it will further encourage illegal immigration. A leaked memo from the federal Citizenship and Immigration Services revealed the Obama administration was considering ways to dodge Congress and grant legal status to undocumented students. But in an Aug. 8 New York Times article, the White House said it will push a bill through Congress after all.

“Obama met with me and the heads of about 15 Latino and other groups, and he said he was our ally and friend. He said he was a man of his word, and he would push for reform.”

Rosa Rosales, national president of the League of United Latin American Citizens

Maria fits the qualifications for conditional residency under the Dream Act. If it passes before she graduates, it will make a job search possible for her in the United States, since she would no longer be undocumented.

A conditional resident would be granted permanent legal residency status if the immigrant has demonstrated "good moral character" through a clean background check, and has graduated from a two-year college or served two years in the military.

"It's Really for Hispanics Who Have Social Security Numbers"

When Maria applied to CNM, her first college, she listed her Individual Taxpayer Identification Number on her application rather than a Social Security number. But as the end of her two-year associate's program loomed, she was faced with the same dilemma: Even with the degree, she wouldn't be able to find work. At her boyfriend's suggestion, she decided to apply to UNM.

In 2005, a bill passed in New Mexico that allowed undocumented immigrants to enroll in New Mexico colleges as state residents. This qualified them to receive the Lottery Success Scholarship. Unfortunately for Maria, she graduated from high school in 2003. When she transferred to UNM, she was no longer eligible for that money since she did not come directly from high school. "I've been struggling hard doing monthly [tuition] payments every month so I can go to school, but it's worth it because what else am I going to do?"

She scoured the Internet for private scholarships that did not require a Social Security number. Though she did find a few, most of them were through private corporations rather than Hispanic organizations. “The way they advertise Hispanic scholarships, it’s really for Hispanics who have Social Security numbers," she says.

Maria's parents have been more than happy to help her out. After all, poor education and lack of job opportunities were the reasons they left Mexico. Maria’s mother, who received a college degree in Chihuahua, worked as an executive assistant to an attorney in Mexico. Her father worked as a technician. In the United States, her mother cleans houses for a living and her father operates his own construction business, which Maria helps out with when she can. She writes invoices, does taxes and manual labor when her father needs an extra person. “It’s ideal because I’m in the architecture field, and it’s important to know how things come together.”

Her mother is still paid more than she was in Mexico, according to Maria. “Then, people in Mexico made about $70 per week." When they left Mexico, the exchange rate was about 12.5 pesos for one U.S. dollar.

"You Didn't Come to Visit"

While the terms “undocumented” and “illegal” call forth images of people stuffed in car trunks or hopping fences, her own parents’ entrance into the United States was relatively calm, Maria says. The family, including her older sister and younger brother, entered legally with a travel visa. They settled in Barstow, Calif., where Maria continued second grade. When she said goodbye to her friends in Mexico, her parents didn’t tell her it would be for good. “You come to the U.S., and all of a sudden you realize you didn’t come to visit.”

Compared to Albuquerque, Maria says Barstow was a difficult place to live. "There was a lot of racism. They [employers] would take advantage of undocumented people. When my dad worked, sometimes he wouldn't get paid or his employer would call immigration on him."

The family lived there for four more years, until she was 12. Her parents heard from a relative that there were more job opportunities in New Mexico, so that’s where they went. Maria says they found steady work in Albuquerque, but she still does not take anything for granted. One time her father was injured on the job and hospitalized. He didn’t have the money for the hospital fee, but he promised to pay it back in installments. It took him two years. “Through all the years we’ve been here, not once have we been on food stamps, not once have we been on welfare,” Maria says. “I would love to have a Social Security number and continue to pay taxes.”

Her parents requested an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number—assigned through the IRS—as soon as they started working in the United States. While they do not receive the promise of Social Security benefits, they have paid taxes for 17 years. Maria says her parents feel they need to contribute to the economy and that they hoped one day a law would pass granting them citizenship.

"We Can't Help You"

Maria must complete three years of an internship to become a licensed architect. She risks deportation every time she applies. She does not tell potential employers about her status until she is sure she is a strong candidate for the position. Being honest about it has not paid off. The most recent sting came earlier this year from an architecture firm in Albuquerque. She knew the company was about to hire her. “My interview was long; it was only supposed to be 20 minutes but it was an hour long.” The interviewers appeared excited about her, she says, but when she mentioned her status, they backed away. "They called and said, We’re sorry, we can’t help you. You were our No. 1 candidate, but we can’t hire you.”

While she was frustrated by the rejection, she was glad the company “was cool about the whole thing” and did not contact Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Maria says she hears about people who are deported all the time. She has also experienced it firsthand—her best friend was deported in 2008, and her father was deported when the family was living in Barstow. “He was working in Las Vegas, and when immigration comes, people just run like little ants,” Maria says. Because he was working at a construction site and his schedule took him away from home for two weeks at a time, “We didn’t even know he got deported,” she says.

"Too Much Hate Out There"

An earlier version of the Dream Act was drafted in 2001 and has been proposed in every Congress since. In his speech on July 1, President Obama described the immigration system as “broken” and vowed to fix it. He stated that providing a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants was a top priority. Maria is feeling the pressure of a ticking clock, as she knows she will have to face the job market in two years.

“When I graduate with my master's, if things don’t get better, I’m going to be forced to go back to Mexico, and maybe I’ll try to go legally to Australia or something,” Maria says.

The League of United Latin American Citizens held its national conference in Albuquerque July 12 through 17. The schedule included panels on issues facing Latinos, such as SB 1070 and the Dream Act.

Rosa Rosales, the national president of the organization, is certain the act will pass while Obama is in office. “Obama met with me and the heads of about 15 Latino and other groups, and he said he was our ally and friend,” she said in an interview with the Alibi. “He said he was a man of his word, and he would push for reform.”

Given the political climate that propelled SB 1070, others are not so optimistic about the Dream Act. “It’s not going to pass,” said Gilbert Sierra, the Iowa state director, at the conference. “I thought as soon as Obama passed health care, immigration laws would breeze right through. But there’s just too much hate out there.”

Maria says that since the passage of SB 1070, the news coverage has become more negative, which feeds into stereotypes about undocumented immigrants. She says this makes her future seem even more precarious. "It's scary to know Arizona was the way New Mexico is right now. They gave (undocumented) people driver's licenses, they let people go to college, and then they just got rid of it all. What makes us think this isn't going to happen here in New Mexico?" But Maria says she is willing to endure the uncertainty, the discouraging job search and even the prejudice for a chance at a more prosperous life.

“It’s worth it to have the jobs that nobody wants," she said, speaking about her family. "For us it’s like a deal because we’re going to be able to help our families back in Mexico, save a little money and have the things we were never going to be able to have out there. It makes perfect sense for us," she says. "We love this country. If we didn’t love it, we wouldn’t be here.”

Public Comments (27)
  • Unafraid  [ Wed Aug 11 2010 8:13 PM ]

    Why am I American? Who decides what is American? What does it mean to be American? Who monopolized Americans? How does it feel to have your dreams crushed? How does it feel to fail your parents? I don’t know what is to be an American; I thought I knew, but that idea was shattered when the financial advisor for an university said I am sorry your scholarship is discontinued. She felt my pain, I can remember that day as it was yesterday, it was a gloomy February morning, it had rained earlier and I sat on a bench watching the students head to class, shocked and devastated. I cried, but no tears came out, I yell in anger, but no noise was heard, I promised myself that I will prove them wrong. I will succeed. Nothing can or will stop. I still don’t know who they are, I can’t put a face to them, but know it seems clear to me, that I should not fear them. They should fear me. For history, has taught us anything is that, a man’s bones may be crushed, but his spirit will endure all. My spirit is strong, no matter how many legislation, bills, laws, says that I am un-American. I will tell them what is it to be American? Is it a 9-digit number? Is it the place of birth? Or is it your values and principles? The fact that I migrated when six years old to a new land, learned a new Language, tested in the top 75% of standardized exams, graduated to p 10 of high school graduating class, have no criminal record, and contribute to the betterment of our society. I still don’t know, but I want to know how does it feel to be “AMERICAN.” The DREAM Act will make this true for me, and many other talented youth across this great nation of ours.

  • Perchance to Dream  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 1:40 AM ]

    Thanks for the wonderfully gripping piece. Maria's story is eye-opening, and reminds us of how much people will sacrifice, and how hard they will work, for a chance at educational and economic opportunities. I'm disgusted that our government will take people's tax money without promising them a place in our society. I'm disgusted that something like the DREAM Act doesn't already exist. If America doesn't want people from other countries immigrating here for a chance at a better life, perhaps we shouldn't be engaging in foreign policy that destroys foreign economies and subjugates foreign workers. And while it's great that NM offers undocumented workers a route to college, it's disheartening to know that those chances can be revoked at any moment. Undocumented workers deserve a path to citizenship, and we owe it to ourselves as a society to embrace people like Maria who are willing to struggle and sacrifice to become American citizens.

  • But at the same time  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 9:46 AM ]

    You have those that ruin it for everybody else, the ones that live on the fringes that have no interest in integrating and becoming successful here (both monetarily and personally), and take without wanting to give. Unfortunately, it is physically impossible to single out those much like Maria, who are here for the wealth of educational and job opportunities, and those people absolutely deserve a chance at living the American dream.

    I, and sadly two handfuls of friends, have had multiple cars totaled and have been badly hurt at the hands of those with no license, insurance, registration, etc., who as a result of being illegal immigrants now have zero legal responsibility to make up those damages since they are not citizens of this country. So, those following the law get fucked by those who feel they don't have to follow said laws. My point being, it's very hard to separate those with good intentions and bad intentions without making sweeping generalizations, which makes the immigration issue a truly difficult one.

  • Speaking of sweeping generalization​s  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 10:44 AM ]

    My point being, it's very hard to separate those with good intentions and bad intentions,

    Doesn't getting a GED/high school diploma *and then* graduating from college or serving in the U.S. military separate the wheat from the chafe as far as "the ones that live on the fringes that have no interest in integrating and becoming successful here (both monetarily and personally), and take without wanting to give" go? (And wouldn't that make staggering numbers of natural born U.S. citizens -- people who never finished high school, never went to college, never served their country -- at the forefront of those with "bad intentions"?)

    No? How about the whole background check and "good moral character" requirement?

  • Is it really?  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 10:58 AM ]

    Is it really so hard to separate out those who contribute constructively and those who don't? Maria has documented evidence of attending college and working. Her family has a taxpayer ID #, meaning they pay taxes. They are proficient in English. And the problem of people driving around with no license or insurance, or sucking the blood from the system without giving back, or refusing to integrate and become successful, is not at all unique to illegal immigrants.

    Our country is rife with institutionalized mechanisms of privilege and oppression that have nothing to do with how much someone contributes or gives back. Automatic deportation of those who did not have the privilege of being born in this country (without considering the circumstances) is one such mechanism of oppression. For people who have a zero-tolerance policy for illegal immigration: God forbid you ever find yourself in a desperate situation, whether it's the need to escape war or poverty or violence or corruption or utter lack of opportunity, and the country you flee to offers you nothing but a big Screw You, Get Out.

  • Listen, people.  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 11:15 AM ]

    You don't deserve citizenship for being a nice person. There are lots of nice people in Mexico that can keep on being nice people in Mexico.

  • You make some valid points  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 1:18 PM ]

    and the country you flee to offers you nothing but a big Screw You, Get Out.

    ...but I may have to disagree with that. I think the United States have been incredibly lenient and forgiving when it comes to illegal immigration, which lends everybody to panic when Arizona calls the Fed's bluff. When you compare our immigration policy (or lack thereof) to, say, Europe's policy, the differences are absolutely staggering. The U.S. looks like pushovers in comparison.

    Should our immigration policy be revised? Absolutely; it is riddled with red tape. But in the meantime, breaking a law voluntarily by jumping a fence out of desperation, or having the government granting total amnesty to said offenders, are not acceptable answers.

  • I don't think you understand desperation  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 2:28 PM ]

    breaking a law voluntarily by jumping a fence out of desperation, or having the government granting total amnesty to said offenders, are not acceptable answers.

    Or this story. Who said the government is going to grant amnesty to all "fence-hoppers"?

  • I never said the government was going to grant amnesty  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 3:24 PM ]

    But it seems that those who are expressing the outrage against Arizona and the powers-that-be at universities who deny students like Maria would like to see it so. What would the other solution be for those who DON'T agree with the current immigration laws? Make illegal immigration okay, sometimes, on a case-by-case basis? That would seem to create far more problems than it would help, which was the point of my original post about differentiating who gets in and who stays out.

    Are you with me, here?

  • Sigh  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 3:36 PM ]

    Martian, the DREAM legislation isn't about trying to determine who gets in and who stays out. It's about providing an avenue to citizenship for people who are already here. So are the legislative efforts geared at providing a route to citizenship for undocumented workers. And yes, we should consider people on a case-by-case basis. Remember the thing about having to demonstrate productivity and "good moral character"? Sure, "case-by-case basis" opens up a huge can of worms and probably creates a lot of paperwork. Sure, it creates problems. Boo hoo. Personally, I'd rather find a way to deal with those problems than blindly ruin the lives of living, breathing, struggling human beings who are contributing to our society.

  • Fence-hoppers  [ Thu Aug 12 2010 5:22 PM ]

    It always cracks me up that in a country which was taken at gunpoint from its original inhabitants (and then again from the Spanish) people get all moral about illegal immigration. This was a nation of fence-hoppers from the get-go. The new invasion isn't by military force or colonial occupation, it's by sheer force of numbers--most of whom are unarmed, poverty-stricken and desperate. You can put up a fence 100 miles tall and they will still get in. Borders are arbitrary. Human needs are not.

  • BECOME A CITIZEN!!  [ Mon Aug 16 2010 10:47 AM ]

    I have no problem with people coming to out country, IF they become a citizen!!!! 'Maria' is old enough to think for herself, she should have done that when she turned 18!!! If you won't even do that, why the hell do you expect everything given to you????

    Become a citizen or get the fuck out!!!!

  • Do some research before posting, seriously!  [ Mon Aug 16 2010 10:34 PM ]

    Become a citizen or get the fuck out!!!!

    It’s unbelievable to see the amount of ignorance in this country sometimes. If applying for citizenship was that easy, believe me, we wouldn’t have to read stories like this in the newspaper. I don’t know if you took the time to read the article, but it is obvious that the Dream Act is the only way for Maria to gain legal status in this country. Imagine yourself in a situation like this, where moving to a new country was not even your choice and after so many years, this country is the only one you know and love. Take the time to appreciate the fact that you are lucky enough to be born in this beautiful country. I hope you never have to see yourself in a situation like Maria’s or any other undocumented immigrant for that fact and be faced to a cruel comment like “Become a citizen or get the fuck out!!!!” by an idiot that has no fucking clue what the fuck he is talking about.

  • The time it takes to become a legal citizen here  [ Tue Aug 17 2010 9:49 AM ]

    does not justify breaking the law. That just doesn't make any fucking sense.

    Do I disagree with some of the laws here? Sure. Do I go out and voluntarily break them? Nope, because then I'd have to deal with the consequences, most of them negative.

    What humors me the most out of the entire situation are the protests and lawsuits filed by Mexican nationals (!), including a hit put out on Sheriff Joe Arpaio by the drug cartels. Are you fucking kidding me?! If the conditions in many parts of this country are enough to make people "act out of desperation" and jump the border, the complaints become leveled at this country and not Mexico? How the hell does that make any sense?

  • Stop trying to relate two completely different issues! This article is about the Dream Act.  [ Tue Aug 17 2010 10:31 AM ]

    This story isn’t about drug cartels, lawsuits or putting hits on government officials. How do you hold a 7 year old accountable to “breaking the law” being brought to this country and staying? The Dream Act is NOT a way for all the people that commit or bring crime into this country to gain citizenship. If for STUDENTS with good character and a good record to have a chance to live the American dream in the only country they know and love. What kind of crime is Maria, a graduate student, committing by trying to excel in her field of choice and be willing to contribute to our economy. Doesn’t the US already grant legal residency and citizenship to well educated immigrants that come from all over the world and contribute to our economy already? What is the difference here? Is it the fact that Maria isn’t from France, India or China? Is it that she is a Mexican and this country has grown to hate “fence hoppers”? Like you said Martian,

    How the hell does that make any sense?

  • Visas  [ Wed Aug 18 2010 2:30 PM ]

    Virtually every nation has requirements that a foreign student must have an appropriate visa in order to be admitted to a school.

    Most countries require a student to provide a passport valid for some months beyond the planned study, a letter of acceptance from the University indicating place, duration of the course and dates of attendance; A letter stating that you have your own private means of support; a bank letter with your account number, financial status, and balance; and finally - information on your round trip flight reservations.

    There are thousands of foreign students welcomed to the US who have valid F-1 Student Visas. The foreign citizen must have a valid educational purpose for coming to the United States and be a full time student. It is not possible to be a part-time student on an F-1 Visa. The student can stay in the United States for as long as he/she is enrolled in school. The F-1 student visa is normally issued at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate in the student’s home country.

    Students may work on campus as long as they are enrolled in school.

    She may be a wonderful person and a good student who is caught in the cracks. It seems that she wants the system to change for her, but don't blame it on the system. Unfortunately, her parents created her problem.


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  • Hey, livelaughlove  [ Wed Aug 18 2010 2:49 PM ]

    There are alot things in life that is hard. But the first step is to take a step!! You don't just ignore it. Your the fucking idiot!

    Are you legal????

  • Well said, Dennster  [ Wed Aug 18 2010 3:14 PM ]

    Your the fucking idiot!

    Seems you've failed our fine American school systems, Dennster. "You're" grasp on the English language is below the Mexican-born student in this article. As such, we have no recourse but to deport you.

    Go back to wherever your ancestors crawled in from (I'm guessing Crete? Or where else do cretins come from?), where you don't have to bother trying to learn the mother tongue of our great nation.

    Don't let the doors of opportunity hit you on the way out, Dennster.

    God Bless America.


    Last edited [8/18/10 3:20 PM]
  •   [ Wed Aug 18 2010 10:40 PM ]

    Dennster, alot is not even a word! I believe you meant to write a lot, two words.

    When you talk about more than one thing you use the word "are" not is.

    Like I said, you're a fucking idiot! You're as in "you are" a fucking idiot!

    Thank you Major McCheese for pointing it out, I got a good giggle.

    Dennster, what is your level of education?

    I bet you are one of those dumb asses that like repeat things you hear without once taking the time to do some type of critical thinking. Am I going too fast for you? Are you still stuck on wondering why you have to use are instead of is?

    Maybe you should take your own advise and give school another shot. Like you said,

    There are alot things in life that is hard. But the first step is to take a step!!

    Who knows maybe after taking the first step you may consider doing some research before posting, instead of talking out of your ass and embarrassing yourself.

    Can you believe English is my second language? I will answer your question when you admit your level of education. I promise!

  • Hey now...  [ Thu Aug 19 2010 2:48 AM ]

    This debate got ugly since the last time I checked in! F-bombing? Name calling? Poking fun at someone's level of education? Telling people to "get the fuck out"? C'mon y'all. Practice your manners. Meanwhile, Sotone's rant about student visas has gone unrefuted. Student visas? For people brought who were brought here as children, raised here, and are now living here undocumented? What avenue to student visas do they have? And let's say they weren't brought here as children... how many disadvantaged foreigners from Shitsville, Mexico have the resources to apply for student visas? This is why people circumvent the law. Should we "punish" these lawbreakers? I don't personally think so, but let's just go ahead and say, for argument's sake, that yes, they deserve punishment. This still doesn't justify punishing children. Who cares if Maria's parents "created" the problem? Do we incarcerate the children of criminal parents? Do we execute the children of those on death row? No, we don't, and if we did, I think everyone would agree that the system needs to change, and that it is reasonable for people caught in the cracks to hope that the system will change for them and others like them.

    While I am disappointed by the aggressive exchange of personal attacks here, I cannot deny that "Your the fucking idiot" was absolutely classic, the kind of beautifully spontaneous irony that truly delights and depresses at the same time.

    BTW, shout out to snagglepuss, with the elegantly stated "Borders are arbitrary. Human needs are not."

  • I can't believe this!  [ Thu Aug 19 2010 12:05 PM ]

    Good grammer does not make you a citizen. Going through the process does. McCheesy, bad grammer does not deport you. If so, I'm sure that over half the American population would be deported. Instead of waiting for the laws to change in their favor, why don't they TRY to become a citizen???

    That's my point!

  • I agree about one thing.  [ Thu Aug 19 2010 1:44 PM ]

    Playing the grammar card is a cheap shot. It's never classy and it's never on topic.

  • Grammer huh  [ Thu Aug 19 2010 1:50 PM ]

    This country was founded by those seeking an opportunity. Instead of arguing back and forth about nonsense we need to ask ourselves what is better for America. Can this country benefit from DREAM Act students? Yes, very much. We now live in a global society. As a nation we are consistently falling behind the rest of the world in all areas of academia, Dennster is a great example of that.

  • I'm a mayor, not a cop  [ Thu Aug 19 2010 4:00 PM ]

    Playing the grammar card is a cheap shot. It's never classy and it's never on topic.

    The grammar argument is one I've heard ad nauseum from people attempting to support arguments like Dennster's -- "These people don't even want to learn our language, so they don't deserve to be here."

    If that's the standard, so be it. But a standard has to go both ways.

    But now that you mention it, calling someone who disagrees with you "a fucking idiot" is pretty darn classy and on-topic.


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  • What is at the heart of "illegal" immigration?  [ Thu Aug 19 2010 7:35 PM ]

    Why would an immigrant come to the United States from Mexico to work?

    Why would they travel thousands of miles to a country that publicly shows them every chance they get that they are not wanted?

    Wouldn't they miss their families?

    Why start a new life with nothing but the clothes on your back?

    What is the certainty of their future?

  • It's not the "reasons" I don't understand, Dream  [ Fri Aug 20 2010 11:19 AM ]

    Most people who come here and pick up trash typically make more in a month than they'd make in an entire year living in Mexico. It IS terribly sad, but Mexico and other Latin-American countries don't care to address WHY this happens and instead lambast Arizona for cracking down on illegal immigration.

    I just don't understand why those reasons make it okay to voluntarily break a law. If the system of entering this country legally is flawed, fix it. What kind of self-righteous bullshit exists if you think the current immigration law doesn't apply to you?

  • taking her "advise"... Roll over Chas. Dickens!  [ Fri Aug 20 2010 8:41 PM ]

    LiveLaughLove

    While you were busy tasking Dennster for nine paragraphs about his poor grammar and spelling, you were too busy to clean up your own; "advise" and "advice" are different words and have different meanings.

    Need to wipe down the monitor now, due to the fowl language exhibited in this thread.

    Regards

    Mike

    PS I know it is "foul", like in baseball, not like in a barnyard - where the ground is coated with the stuff of elitist jerks.

 
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