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 V.21 No.31 | August 2 - 8, 2012 

Bear With Me

One Nation, Under Gun

When the next senseless mass shooting takes place, you are not allowed to come up to me and say, “You know, guns don't kill people ... .” Keep it to yourself, Mr. Heston.

Likewise please refrain from telling me, “Well, if there had only been more heavily armed people in that--” ... shhh.

That's the most idiotic thing I've heard all week. A person carrying a concealed weapon might take down a maniac before the maniac maims and kills a few dozen innocent people. It could happen. But I'll be conservative and wager that 95 times out of a hundred, you'd just have two unstable people in a crowded place shooting guns. It's called a crossfire. Bad stuff.

An AR-15 was the door prize. Second prize was a fishing pole.

Twelve more people dead in a movie theater in Colorado. I am reminded of a guy who stood outside the University of New Mexico during much of the latest war with a sign that kept a running tally of the dead and read “How many is enough?”

This whole gun thing has really gotten out of hand. The very fact that whether to bring a gat into a theater for self defense is even up for debate is so scary, I think I'll never sleep again.

This column was originally a response to the senseless killing of Trayvon Martin. Every subsequent gun tragedy eclipses the one that preceded it, I suppose.

Anyway, even if the names and places have changed, my views on firearms have been fixed and immutable for quite some time: If you melt guns down, they make excellent paperclips.

People who own guns get shot more than people who don't.

All this media coverage has made me realize just how much guns have played a role in my own life.

It started in the late ’80s. Neon shirts were in fashion. New Kids on the Block was No. 1. And I was a Cub Scout. The pack leader's sons went to a neighbor's house to feed the cats. The neighbor left a gun out (genius). The two boys began to play with it. One of them was shot and killed. The troop made sympathy cards at its next weekly meeting.

I've had a gun pulled on me twice, once by an irate tagger, another time by an irate police officer because I was tagging.

An insurgent in Iraq retrofitted an old Russian surface-to-air missile with a crude fuse and shot my brother in the face, earning him the nickname “Duck Dodgers” for the remainder of his tour of duty. He ducked. He dodged. He narrowly avoided losing his head. OK, I made the nickname up. But it's apt.

My father fostered a strange, macho fascination with guns, then killed himself with one. So did my favorite rock star and the writer who made me want to be a journalist.

I guess this is just part of being an American. We like guns. I covered a Republican Party event in early June. An AR-15 was the door prize. Second prize was a fishing pole.

A segment of the population wants to own guns and is afraid the government will outlaw it. News flash: They aren't going to take your guns away. It's called the Second Amendment. Stop being so paranoid.

Lots of these people seem to think they have a right to shoot people. Stand your ground laws are bad news. I am an adherent to the Richard Pryor school of thought on this: Why be a badass when you can RUUUUNNNNN? I'd never shoot somebody over my stuff.

I have a strict no-gun policy in my life. People who own guns get shot more than people who don't. According to a 2009 University of Pennsylvania study, packers are four times more likely to get shot than nonpackers. Really, it's a safety thing.

Out here in the countryside where I reside, there’s a lot of gunfire, mostly from bored people with 18-packs of Natural Light. I have lived in cities, too, where neighborhoods are judged by the amount and nature of gunfire. Hearing gunshots is fine. Hearing gunshots being exchanged is another matter entirely. Automatic gunfire is an automatic move out. Unless you’re downwind from an artillery range.

In fact, I’ve dwelled next to such ranges—air defense and field artillery. Cannons are also guns. They are loud. The walls in your house crack from their booms. The Army post I lived near served as the testing site for a cannon that could be fired around a mountain. You can't let a mountain ruin a perfectly good day of firing rockets at people (see above paragraph re: “Duck Dodgers”).

Police need to carry guns, but they’ve gotten a tad paramilitary in the U.S. for my taste. I don't like to see my cops dressed in Army helmets and carrying automatic weapons. It doesn't make me feel any safer. On a trip to Juárez a few years back I gazed in awe at the city’s paramilitaristic police force armed with machine guns. It's unsettling, knowing that you just walked in on the end of The Wild Bunch, the real version.

Some Americans have the nerve to complain about drugs and cheap labor flowing north when our legally purchased guns flow south. A mayor and police chief in Southern New Mexico are accused of running guns to the cartels. There is a special place in hell reserved for such people.

I am loathe to say I don't want other people to own guns, even with the border violence, school shootings, domestic disputes, drive-by shootings, assault weapon raffles and now, sadly, theater massacres. I believe in the Constitution of the United States of America (except for the overtly racist stuff). As a huge fan of the First Amendment, I have to take the good with the bad. So go ahead, buy that Bushmaster .223. All the heartbreak that results is on you.

No, I'm sorry. I thought about it. Throw your guns away. If you must carry a weapon, might I suggest an acerbic sense of humor? That's gotten me out of many a jam.

John Bear is a backpack journalist, which means he writes, takes photos and edits. He blogs at johnbearwithme.wordpress.com. He lives with his cat, Scoop.

The opinions expressed are solely those of the author.
Public Comments (33)
  • Most Idiotic Thing I've Read All Week!  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 1:56 AM ]

    Oh my, where to start? From the top:

    It has happened. People carrying concealed weapons have fired their weapons in crowded places and saved lives more often than they have hurt people. A slim chance is better than no chance. Good stuff.

    Stand your ground laws are a good idea when done right. NM is a stand your ground state and it works fine here.

    Your spin of the UofP study is BS; it doesn't say what you said. There are 6 million people who legally pack concealed weapons in the USA, and they are not 4 times as likely to be shot as people who don't. Neither are the 20,000 licensed in NM. The people who are more likely to be shot are criminals, and those who abuse drugs and alcohol, whether they pack or not.

    I do think the cops have gotten a bit too military. There is a time and place for helmets, assault weapons and body armor, but they over do it.


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  • Opinions are like noses. Everybody has one, and they all smell.  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 11:31 AM ]

    Yo, John, how about this? You stick with your acerbic sense of humor, and I'll stick to my guns and self-defense rights.

    That work for you?

    No?

    So sorry, but there's nothing you can do about it.

  • Yes, there is!  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 12:52 PM ]

    He can re-elect Obama, who can replace one of the five justices in the majority on Heller and McDonald, and there goes your constitutional right to keep and bear arms and self-defense.

    OTOH, w friends like Romney, the Second Amendment doesn't need any enemies...

    Go Gary J all the way!

  • Bear Repellant  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 2:27 PM ]

    I sympathize, John. I have been a cab driver for almost 12 years here in town and when not in the cab I walk a lot. There are a LOT of aggressive whacked out nasty people running around, many of whom seem to feel that you owe them the shirt off your back. These people, frankly, they suck. Some of them are dangerous, and some of them are armed, for which reason I understand people wanting to have a firearm. Out of my dislike for that rash split second potential to blow someone away, and perhaps doing so mistakenly, I have dabbled in higher octane but theoretically nonlethal forms of self defense. Until I lost it crossing a bridge over the Rio Grande in Corrales on foot one time, I had bear repellant. I never had to use the big menacing red canister on anyone, fortunately, but did display it a couple times which fortunately was enough. I also had a stun gun that unfortunately has not worked since it fell out of my coat in a parking lot one time. I displayed it a couple of times as well. I will probably replace the bear repellant.~Mike. Feel free to check out my blog for another take on the subject."According to the National Institute of Justice website, as I suspected might be the case, most U.S. gun related deaths are perpetrated by gangs in the inner cities..." [link]


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  • Bear arms  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 3:28 PM ]

    Are scary... Specially when attached to bears.

  • No, there isn't!  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 4:41 PM ]

    He can re-elect Obama, who can replace one of the five justices in the majority on Heller and McDonald, and there goes your constitutional right to keep and bear arms and self-defense.OTOH, w friends like Romney, the Second Amendment doesn't need any enemies...Go Gary J all the way!

    Except for one thing Broke. Cruikshank held that the right exists independent of any written instrument. Uh, that would include Court opinions.....?

    Like I said, so sorry, there's nothing you can do about it.

  • bold claim  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 5:21 PM ]

    People carrying concealed weapons have fired their weapons in crowded places and saved lives

    When and where?

  • the U of P study says what he said it says  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 5:26 PM ]

    Go to the link. While I find their methodology questionable, here is a quote summarizing their findings:

    "The study estimated that people with a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not possessing a gun"

  • When and Where? RIght here, in River City...  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 6:53 PM ]

    Shortly after it became legal to carry a a concealed handgun here... Posted: 8/26/2005 1:53:00 PM

    Wal Mart shooter likely saved life

    Source: KRQE News 13

    Watch Report

    ALBUQUERQUE -- A man attacking his ex-wife with a knife inside a southeast Albuquerque Wal Mart was shot and killed by a 72-year-old man Thursday evening.

    It all happened around 5:30 p.m. at the store on San Mateo near Zuni. There was mayhem and confusion inside a southeast Albuquerque Wal Mart as employees and shoppers were sent fleeing by the sound of gunfire.

    The victim in this case is 46-year old Joyce Cordova. She is in critical but stable condition at this time at UNM Hospital.

    Albuquerque Police say Cordova had a long history of domestic violence with ex-husband Felix Vigil. A co-worker says Cordova was working in the deli was attacked by her ex-husband.

    Vigil was shot to death by 72-year old Due Moore. Police won't say how many shots were fired, but some witnesses tell News 13 they heard at least three shots.

    Police say Moore had a concealed carry license and is a well-known volunteer with APD's cold case unit.

    “It’s probably a very good thing he (Moore) was there,” says APD Sgt. Trish Hoffman. “Ms. Cordova may not be here today if it had not been for him.”

    Police say there was a valid restraining order in place against the victim's ex-husband.

    Police say Moore has been very cooperative and has not been charged with any crime

  • AURORA SHOOTING: IS MICHAEL MOORE A RACIST?  [ Thu Aug 2 2012 7:00 PM ]

    I want to start this off by saying that I do not, myself, own a firearm, but technically I do as I was bequeathed an antique non-functioning pistol a few years ago. I am not a "gun nut" or a member of The NRA. In many respects I would be considered liberal, but not in any card carrying sense, even as I am in no way to be considered a neo-con.

    I caught Michael Moore talking with Piers Morgan on CNN about gun violence in reaction to the Aurora, Colorado nightmare. To watch that show you might think the U.S., which boasts the highest incarceration rate of any country, was also the worst nation on earth for gun violence. How you frame the question makes a difference. According to Wikipedia, the highest rates of gun deaths by nation are South Africa, Columbia, and El Salvador, with the U.S. coming in at number 12 just under Mexico. [link] If you want to say that we are number one as Moore clearly does, you have to say that we are the number one "developed" nation for gun violence, those other countries not counting apparently because they are embryonic and/or fetal. According to the National Institute of Justice website, as I suspected might be the case, most U.S. gun related deaths are perpetrated by gangs in the inner cities. [link] While Moore mentioned pointedly that most guns in this country are owned by white people in the suburbs, you can hardly expect him to speak out against gangs. Obviously what happened in Aurora was not gang related, but more importantly, for Moore, or for that matter, Piers Morgan, to mention this fact would be politically "incorrect."

    Should there be restrictions on people under psychiatric care being able to purchase weapons, and specifically assault rifles? As mentioned on the show, should some sort of alert go out when a person like Holmes is clearly stock piling ammunition online? Absolutely. Such a remedy would be fairly easy to implement and effective, and it would bypass any need for violation of patient confidentiality in a case like Holmes.

    One thing I've wondered about Aurora is whether this nightmare might have any connection to so-called antidepressants and other psychiatric drugs. You know, the meds they love to dole out to a large segment of the population that are associated with suicide (How anti-depressing is that?), and for which we see legal ads on a regular basis now in their connection to birth defects. In the Virginia Tech Massacre, shooter, Cho Seung Hui, was on antidepressants. [link] There was also a connection to antidepressants in the infamous Columbine shooting. [link]

    None of these factors fit into Moore's far left agenda, however, so no mention of them was made.

    When white people are injured, traumatized, and killed, it makes headlines. In the inner city, well, that's just life, I guess. How many inner city gun deaths, injuries, and trauma involve kids who are not criminals but who had the audacity to go to school? How many Columbines, Virginia Techs, and Aurora Theater horrors unfold in this nation's inner cities every week, and involve innocent children caught in the crossfire, with nary a peep from the corporate media? Who cares about these innocent victims of gun violence? Not CNN or Piers Anthony, or, apparently, that liberal champion of truth and justice, Micheal Moore.

  • No, it does not  [ Fri Aug 3 2012 10:07 AM ]

    The study estimated that people with a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not possessing a gun"

    Which is not what he said. What he said was "packers are four times more likely to get shot as non packers", which is not the same thing.

    Then there is the blurb w the article "people who own guns get shot more than people who don't" which isn't the same thing either, but he probably didn't write that.

    Then you have the National Crime Victimization Surveys, which suggest that those who resist a crime w a gun are actually less likely to have the crime successfully completed and less likely to be injured than those who don't reist, resist w other means, or attempt the "ruuuunnnn" thing.

    You know how it goes, stats all over to back up whatever you want to back up...

    I actually liked a lot of what the Bear grumbled about, I just decide to pick those nits.

    Hey, I know we are all better off w me packing than not. It's the rest of youse guys I'm not so sure about!


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  • There and then  [ Fri Aug 3 2012 10:44 AM ]

    People carrying concealed weapons have fired their weapons in crowded places and saved lives

    When and where?

    In CO in 2007 a woman carrying concealed at church stopped an armored up nut w an assault rifle.

    Last month in FL an old guy at an internet cafe shot two robbers.

    There are more before and between.

    A gunfight in a crowd is a risky proposition, no doubt about it. Just cuzz you can shoot back doesn't mean you should. More often than not though, they turn out OK. When it's good guy/gal v bad guy anyway, not banger on banger.

  • Yes, there still is  [ Fri Aug 3 2012 11:10 AM ]

    Cruikshank held that the right exists independent of any written instrument. Uh, that would include Court opinions.....?Like I said, so sorry, there's nothing you can do about it.

    Take that legal theory and your pistol to DC, NYC, or Chicago and they will do a lot more than nothing about it.


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  • And there it is!  [ Sat Aug 4 2012 5:04 PM ]

    Hey, I know we are all better off w me packing than not. It's the rest of youse guys I'm not so sure about!

    ... the old 'I am different, I am sane, just trust me' routine....

  • Sorry Bear, I bet you got Private security, Live behind a Gate.  [ Sat Aug 4 2012 5:06 PM ]

    Everyone should see "Sin Nombre" the movie.

    You can make a crude shotgun out of welded pipe,

    and adapt different cartridges which you've scrounged from anywhere.

    Bear,

    in a pinch, you will wish for an armed man for a friend.

    Good Moral Intentions do not make a sound Defense.

    Jesus. What an example.

    What if we had the personal Power to Defuse an attack by Peaceful Mind?

    What if the Gang Bangers already grabbed your daughter and hit you

    with a tire iron?

    How about it Bear? Your moral posturing is Childish. Get a Grip.

    A Pachmeyer Rubber Grip on a nice Revolver like a .44 Magnum!

  • Do Antidepressant​s Kill People?  [ Sat Aug 4 2012 8:55 PM ]

    Saying guns are bad certainly sounds nice. I don't think it's that simple. I think that antidepressants are a factor here with Holmes, too, as he was under psychiatric care from a woman who got in trouble for prescribing drugs for herself and family members. Antidepressants are readily associated with suicide as we all know, and apparently there are warnings with them that they can also result in bursts of outward violence. All of this on top of the lawsuits regarding birth defects. There is a growing body of evidence, so to speak, that a lot of people with no criminal background go off in the way that Holmes did, after they are put on so-called antidepressants. [link]


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  • A view of both sides...  [ Sat Aug 4 2012 9:07 PM ]

    While I do understand where Bear is coming from, and agree that less guns being so readily available is a wonderful idea, the sad truth is that firearms are all too easy to come by to the wrong people, legally or otherwise, regardless. Being a medical tech, it's my business to save lives, not take them, but at the same time I feel no hesitation to hose some psycho coming at me with obvious intent.

    Let me clarify: I don't go looking for trouble, I don't like feeling like I need to own firearms to keep myself safe. But none the less, I wouldn't walk down west central at night without my burner, and I think every sensible, reasonable, law abiding citizen should do the same. I would gladly give up all of my guns if I KNEW WITHOUT A DOUBT that I was FULLY watched and protected 24/7, but as we see time and time again, you can't even seem to mind your own P's and Q's without running the risk of some lunatic drawing on you.

    Now, do I think that guns & ammunition sales need to require more stringent background checks? Absolutely. Do I believe that ANYONE needs to personally own assault style firearms with huge clips? OH HELL NO! Do I buy into the whole "save the second amendment" crapola that too many gun addicts tote? Please, can we say paranoid?

    HOWEVER, do I think that you should be able to legally own and concealed carry without permit if you've never been arrested for anything beyond a MINOR traffic violation? Yup. Do I think legally stockpiling ammo is acceptable? Expensive, but okay. Do I believe every reasonable, tax paying, law abiding citizen should own a firearm for self defense? You betcha.

    Again, I don't think guns are wonderful self defense equalizers. To the contrary they're expensive, and all too often misused. But I will say this, I sleep a lot better and certainly feel a hell of a lot safer with my Mossberg by my nightstand and my Taurus in my glove compartment. And I'd sooner take the old guy with the concealed .44 burning down the freako with the barrel against my temple than the bullet from said freako's 9mm.


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  • Self-Defense from BigTime Manipulation  [ Sat Aug 4 2012 9:17 PM ]

    Check this expose' of How the shooter was a Manchurian

    Candidate programmed government zombie on assigned mission.

    Just like the Columbine Trench-coat Kids. Their Parents

    were Military/Spook/ Mind-control types. MK Ultra...etc.

    ...[link]

    .....

    10 Facts Revealing Conspiracy

    Behind Aurora Shooters

    From ATS

    8-3-12

    1. James Holmes had no job, was earning unemployment but was able to purchase close to 10k in weapons, explosives, and tactical equipment, and this all happened within 2 months. The chances that Holmes could afford to finance this on his own is highly unlikely. Someone helped finance this attack, follow the money and we will find the masterminds.

    2. The testimony of 2 key eye witnesses totally contradicts the official story of there being one shooter, with no accomplice in the attack. One witness testified that the tear gas canisters came from both sides of the theatre, a second witness testified that before the movie began he saw someone sit down in the front row, and shortly after sitting down his phone rang and instead of walking into the main lobby to take the call, he walked over to the emergency exit to the right side of the theatre opened the door and looked to be signaling someone outside the theatre. Shortly after the shooter made entrance through the emergency exit and commenced his attack.

    3. Evidence photos - Evidence photos have surfaced of a gas mask outside of the emergency exit of theatre 8, police reported that when they arrested the shooter in the white Hyundai outside of theatre 9 he was wearing a gas mask, that would make 2 gas masks that were recovered. Also photos show the AR-15 propped up against the wall opposite of the fire exit door of theatre 9, police radio communications reported that night that the rifle was found inside the theatre, and even if the the AR-15 was discarded outside the theatre.....

  • And here it is!  [ Sun Aug 5 2012 9:57 AM ]

    US crime is down for sure, but so is rate of gun ownership. The rate has been falling since the 70s, but has probably remained stable for the last 15 yrs. Fewer gun owners, less crime.

    But not fewer guns.

    Gun checks/sales are at a 14 year high, and there are millions more carrying concealed than 25 yrs ago. More guns in fewer hands has gone hand in hand w less crime, including less gun crime, murders, suicides and accidents. So more guns in "better" hands hasn't hurt.

    So, do guns make you safer? Depends on who you are. Your character, judgement, training, and experience have more to do w it than just owning the gun. Do guns make your neighborhood safer? Probably depends less on how many guns are in your neighborhood than how many of your neighbors are hoods.


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  • Sometimes you get the Bear...  [ Sun Aug 5 2012 11:00 AM ]

    ... and sometimes the Bear gets you?

    The United Kingdom has outlawed most guns, and while you are less likely to get shot there, you are more likely to be a victim of violent crime there. Waaay more likely to get burglarized over there for example. Sounds like a good trade off to me.

    So I think all gun owners should get rid of all their guns. I will go last. Let me know when it's my turn, OK?

  • ur the boss  [ Sun Aug 5 2012 11:12 AM ]

    Your character, judgement, training, and experience have more to do w it than just owning the gun.

    Sez the US to the rest of the world ... which replies:

    'Hey, whatever you say. Just take it easy, you're in control here ... '.

  • ur right  [ Sun Aug 5 2012 1:02 PM ]

    Your character, judgement, training, and experience have more to do w it than just owning the gun.

    Sez the US to the rest of the world ... which replies:'Hey, whatever you say. Just take it easy, you're in control here ... '.

    That is what the rest of the civilized world does after all. They limit guns to the police and military. People w better character, judgement, training, and experience. Usually, there are exceptions.

    Works great as long as the people control the military and police, not the other way 'round...


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  • Again!?  [ Sun Aug 5 2012 1:32 PM ]

    Shooting at a Sikh temple, seven dead!

    Hey, I'm getting there. Got rid of my assault weapons and high capacity mags yrs ago. Maybe my pump shotgun and revolvers are next?

    Gonna have to pry my bows and arrows from my cold, dead fingers though...

  • oh please ...  [ Mon Aug 6 2012 6:22 PM ]

    Works great as long as the people control the military and police, not the other way 'round...

    [link]

  • I thought national identity was supposed to unite us?  [ Mon Aug 6 2012 9:20 PM ]

    What he said was "packers are four times more likely to get shot as non packers", which is not the same thing.

    That's a very clever hair to split but unless you want to add getting shot with a rubber band in Sunday School to the statistical picture... when we talk about getting shot, we're talking about assaults.

    So, the reason crime rates are declining is because of concealed carriers ... but there are only three examples of concealed carriers stopping a crime in the last decade? Sure.

    The problem with Americans is not that so many have guns, but that so many are hell-bent on massacring their fellow citizens. Where does the hate come from?


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  • Stop the insanity?  [ Tue Aug 7 2012 10:46 AM ]

    Yes, please.

    I have no idea why crime rates are declining, and neither does anybody else. Letting 6 million people carry concealed legally did NOT make it go up as was predicted by opponents. There have NOT been more murders, suicides, and accidents. Would there be even less w/o them? Beats me.

    Plenty of concealed carry killers out there, a list can be seen at the VPC's web site. Most of those killers would have carried and killed w/o the license; they are just that kind of people.

    In none, zero, zip, of the states that track crime by license holders are they responsible for any increase in crime. In none of them do they commit crimes at a rate higher than the general population, and in none of them are they victims of crimes at a higher rate.

    So, put it all together, there is no proof legal concealed carry made things better, but there is proof it did not make things worse.

    Here in NM we have issued over 20,000 concealed handgun licenses since 2004. We have one Due Moore and no George Zimmerman. So far. Just luck?

    Canada and Mexico have strict gun control. Canada is safe, Mexico is a mess. Why aren't US guns flowing into Canada and messing it up? Windsor is safer than Detroit, but El Paso is safer than Detroit or Juarez.

    Where does the hate come from? I don't know, but I know where it is easier for it to arm up. I'm all for more reasonable gun control, we will just have to agree to disagree on what it reasonable.


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  • Set to stun?  [ Tue Aug 7 2012 11:30 AM ]

    Looking at a report that examined hundreds of legal firearms self-defense cases. Average number of rounds fired was just 2, and the avg distance was less than 10 ft. Avg was not exceeded in more than 95% of the cases.

    That's pepper and Taser territory. I always carry pepper, may give the personal Taser a look. May replace my pistola w it...

  • Epiphany  [ Wed Aug 8 2012 9:43 AM ]

    Nationally and by state, people are twice as likely to shoot themselves to death as be shot to death by somebody else. The Suicide rate is usually twice the homicide rate, and both are usually about half by gun. Could be why while there are more guns in the US than 40 yrs ago, there are fewer households w guns. Looks like gun owners are not replacing themselves quick enough, and will eventully wipe themselves out.

  • From my cold, dead eyes  [ Thu Aug 9 2012 11:47 AM ]

    Don't you dare infringe my right to own a "television" *wink*. I need it for .. uh .. duck watchin'.

  • Missed by a mile  [ Thu Aug 9 2012 11:53 AM ]

    I wonder what the gun shop is shooting w his TV?

  • You won't approve this message  [ Mon Aug 13 2012 12:14 AM ]

    This is kind of related. New York City is the safest and crime free city during the past twenty years of all the major cities, by a wide margin. Wall Street Journal did a piece yesterday. They have the strictest gun laws too. The NYPD is criticized and alternately praised for their "stop and search" policy, meaning the Officers will frisk minorities who look suspicious. It's certainly debatable, but getting guns off the street is the goal. B-Arrow and the NRA won't approve of this message.

    Regards

    Mike (non-gun owner)

  • I approve that message!  [ Wed Aug 15 2012 10:12 AM ]

    I'm all for getting illegal guns off the street! The goal is to get illegal guns of the streets of NYC, not all guns. They won't disarm the Syrian ambassador's bodyguards for example (is he still there?).

    No one is debating NYC's stop and frisk law has not worked, what they are debating is if it is being applied fairly. Mostly minorities are stopped and frisked, but mostly minorities were committing the gun crimes. Blacks were 25% of the population (2010 census), but 80% of the shooters and 70% of the robbers. Whites were 45% of the population, but 1% of the shooters and less than 5% of the robbers.

    It's tricky. Only so much time for stoppin' and friskin'. If you stop and frisk an equal number of whites and blacks, you will find less illegal guns, and prevent fewer crimes. Thats no excuse for racism though. Most shooters/robbers are black does not mean most blacks are shooters/robbers. Is NYPD being racist, or just good at picking the crooks out of the crowd, and most of them are in fact black? Beats me.

    NYC does not have the strictest gun laws BTW. Chicago and DC have stricter gun laws, and they are a mess.

    Actually, did you know people who are licensed to carry concealed in NYC (and there are thousands) can carry concealed in bars in NYC? Can't do that here in Albuquerque. Maybe we should change that, be like NYC?

    There are plenty of cities w populations above 250,000 that have a lower murder rate than NYC (6.4). In the FBI's UCR for 2010 Arlington (4.2), Austin (4.8), Corpus Christi (5.6), El Paso (0.8), Plano (1.4), and San Antonio (5.7) in gun crazy TX had lower murder rates than NYC.


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  • NYC not as safe as you think  [ Wed Aug 22 2012 10:04 AM ]

    From Huffington Post:

    Manufacturing Low Crime Rates at the NYPD: Reputation Versus Safety Under Bloomberg and Kelly

    "The practice of manufacturing artificially low crime rates increased substantially after 2002 under Mayor Michael Bloomberg and his police commissioner Raymond Kelly. New research based on interviews with 2,000 retired police officers from the NYPD reveals pervasive, system-wide corruption of criminal records and police practices. This research suggests that concern with the department's reputation for reducing crime, much more than with public safety, drives police policy.

    Mountains of scientific evidence supporting this are explored in The Crime Numbers Game. The bulk of the book's evidence came from a survey of 500 retired police officers ranked captain and above, as well as from in depth interviews with over 40 retired and active officers."

    [link]

    Other cites you are more likely to be killed in than gun crazy El Paso TX: London, Dublin, Belfast, Edinborough, Amsterdam, Lisbon, and Moscow.


    Last edited [8/22/12 10:11 AM]
 
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